it really really grinds my gears when
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Soldato
I did read your post properly. Your argument is silly as you are suggesting that unless you were born when a trophy was won you have no right to bring it up in a discussion about football.
A 19 year old Notts Forest fan has every right to remind you the club he supports have won the European Cup more times than Chelsea. So what if it was not in his lifetime? It is part of the rich history of the club. Granted, maybe not as up to date and relevant but the fact remains that Notts Forest are more successful in Europe than Chelsea. As are Aston Villa.
My bigger annoyance is fans who never go to the matches but simply quote Soccer AM clichés and Match Of The Day pundits in their analysis of games. They can get stuffed!
I agree with you, they have the right to bring it up but as i said earlier
Significant? Yes.
Relevant to you in regards to you being able to talk about it as if you have personal experience of it? No.
They have the right to bring it up, it's when they get arrogant and start mocking you about it....
Significant? Yes.
Relevant to you in regards to you being able to talk about it as if you have personal experience of it? No.
They have the right to bring it up, it's when they get arrogant and start mocking you about it....
No you won four trophies. Two FA Cups, a League Cup and a Cup Winner's Cup. Nobody counts the Charity Shield or the Super Cup as a serious trophy because they're one-off centrepiece games.
Four trophies without being bankrolled versus Sp*rs' three. You're marginally better than one of the Premiership's perennial underachievers. Woop de doo, you must be so proud.
The reason is because the world is not dictated by our own experiences. When you studied history at school, did you look at anything prior to 1989? I'm guessing you probably did.
Even if we look purely at sport, you need to appreciate the history of competitions in order to view current successes (or lack of) in context. Should Englishmen born in 1967 not revere World Cup winners like Bobby Charlton and be proud of their achievements?
You sit there and roll out Chelsea's trophy haul during your lifetime (I seem to remember Chelsea winning the ZDS around that time too btw!) with bold text. But why would some younger fans reading this forum care about some of those if they weren't born - afterall, under your philosophy they aren't allowed to mention their own club's successes during those years? Would an 11yo Leicester fan really want to hear about Di Matteo's strike in the FA cup final if he's not worthy to talk about their League cup win the same year?
Yes, if people start 'mocking you' about past glories then it may be frustrating, but to be honest I don't have a lot of time for that sort of thing anyway regardless of whether they were sat next to the Queen as she handed over the trophy or not. But I don't begrudge Liverpool fans having pride in 18x league titles and 5x European Cups because that's something to be proud of. But if it's a young whippersnapper who can't remember what happened 20 years ago then we probably won't have a great deal to talk about anyway.
Even if we look purely at sport, you need to appreciate the history of competitions in order to view current successes (or lack of) in context. Should Englishmen born in 1967 not revere World Cup winners like Bobby Charlton and be proud of their achievements?
You sit there and roll out Chelsea's trophy haul during your lifetime (I seem to remember Chelsea winning the ZDS around that time too btw!) with bold text. But why would some younger fans reading this forum care about some of those if they weren't born - afterall, under your philosophy they aren't allowed to mention their own club's successes during those years? Would an 11yo Leicester fan really want to hear about Di Matteo's strike in the FA cup final if he's not worthy to talk about their League cup win the same year?
Yes, if people start 'mocking you' about past glories then it may be frustrating, but to be honest I don't have a lot of time for that sort of thing anyway regardless of whether they were sat next to the Queen as she handed over the trophy or not. But I don't begrudge Liverpool fans having pride in 18x league titles and 5x European Cups because that's something to be proud of. But if it's a young whippersnapper who can't remember what happened 20 years ago then we probably won't have a great deal to talk about anyway.
Man of Honour
History means little to me, it's just good memories, I prefer winning things in the here & now.
You should have read the bit where i said i took abromovich out of the equation
If you want me to put him back in it i can easily do so which is errr
12-3 again.
Marginally better? Don't make me laugh.
Exactly, History is dictated by the people who had personal experience of the event.
As I've said you don't have to have personal experience for it to be significant.
Its relevance that I'm talking about.
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Where on Earth did I say I wanted to include your achievements under Abramovich again?
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You can hardly say you have personal experience of events that happened when you were 1 or 2. So when you say, from 1989, you should really consider from 1991 at least.
Out of interest, did this argument spring into your mind before or after yesterday's results.
Soldato
hey at least you have recent trophies to dine out on, its a ridiculous amount of times since Newcastle won ANYTHING. IF we every win something it the kids 70 years down the line will gloat
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History means a lot to a lot of supports and clubs, for example, because Nottingham Forest were successful in years gone by doesn't mean much now, as the club is struggling to stay in the second tier of English football.
It does however give the people that turn up to watch them week in week out, old and young the ability to stand and say that their club, once were European champions. That their club, were once was the best club in Europe, and it gives them hope, that maybe one day they will see their club be the best in Europe again.
Chelsea have enjoyed a lot of recent success due in part to the giant amounts of money Mr Abramovich has put in to the club. Success brings a lot of "new" supporters, you've only been around since 1989, so a man who has been watching Nottingham Forest for twice as long has every right to play on the success of the club, or a fan who has been supporting Nottingham Forest since 1995 has every right to play on that success, as much right as you have to play on Chelsea's current success.
It does however give the people that turn up to watch them week in week out, old and young the ability to stand and say that their club, once were European champions. That their club, were once was the best club in Europe, and it gives them hope, that maybe one day they will see their club be the best in Europe again.
Chelsea have enjoyed a lot of recent success due in part to the giant amounts of money Mr Abramovich has put in to the club. Success brings a lot of "new" supporters, you've only been around since 1989, so a man who has been watching Nottingham Forest for twice as long has every right to play on the success of the club, or a fan who has been supporting Nottingham Forest since 1995 has every right to play on that success, as much right as you have to play on Chelsea's current success.
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You got beat by a team with a richer history Gustov, deal with it.
Caporegime
Gustov, stop arguing, I honestly can't see where you're coming from anymore.
It is all personal to fans and the club. They won it !
Manchester United have a better history then Chelsea, and their fans should be proud and should talk/cheer/sing about it.
Stop being bitter.
It is all personal to fans and the club. They won it !
Manchester United have a better history then Chelsea, and their fans should be proud and should talk/cheer/sing about it.
Stop being bitter.
Man of Honour
You appear to be defining significance and relevance as if they are not linked here, if something is significant to you then the corollary is that it is also relevant to you in some regard.