Italian Grand Prix 2010, Monza Circuit - Race 14/19
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Considering that until the pit stops, there was 4 tenths of a second between JB and FA for most of the race, not much difference (if any) sic.is still going to be significant.
To be fair we were lucky Jb did make it into the first corner ahead of Alonso because Alonso would have driven away from him had the roles been reversed. To start with I thought massa was showing great pace today until you realise Alonso was just biding his time. Alonso would have won today by 10 or 15 seconds atleast had he made it into the first corner ahead.
I'm glad he didn't because it show cased just how consistent under pressure JB is, he just didn't have enough today to create a gap. Then you also look at the ability of Alonso to keep drilling in times with max concentration without destroying the tyres while his team mate tried to out do Jos Verstapphen for running wide.
This is why I like EJ, unlike others he asks the questions when he has been tipped off. I was MS's biggest defender at the start of the year. I thought he would come good. I think Rosberg is a reasonable driver that even a 41 year old MS should have beaten. I think it's time he retired, he's becoming a bit of a joke. Clearly these new types of cars and tyres are a change too far for him. I'm sure if he'd come back after 3 years into the same type formula he left, grooves and TC etc he would've been a force again.
The trouble is the team know by now he isn't going to cut it, but they cannot sack MS, they have to wait for him to wake up to the fact he's past it.
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Just seen that vid. Very, very nasty. Hope he's OK. Maybe time for some rules about having pitstop clothing using colours that contrast with the car livery so its easy (easier) for mechanics to see each other but mainly for the lollipop man to know all the men are out of the way and the car can be released.
with the amount of BS EJ speaks im surprised anyone takes him serious......
even if there was drivers going into mercedes didnt heidfeld just stop beeing the test driver?
schumacher needs a car with front end grip , mercedes car has none , balance is all wrong , cant heat the typres properly , no f-duct , no blown diffuser , tons of drag , no downforce in med/high corners , no traction coming out of corners.
no updates that seemed to have improved anything the same as last year.
schumacher used to carry a lot of speed into a corner but he obviously canr in the mercedes.
much like kimi had troubles with tyres at ferrari
Wasn't he the first one spot the fact that Massa's accident was serious and that it was related to debris from another car?
I have no reason to disbelieve him about other drivers' managers visiting Mercedes, even though Brawn denied this.
Irvine is great because he spots things that no one else does. He also asks the questions that no other interviewer is prepared to ask. On numerous occassions, when Horner spouts nonsense about he isnt favouring Vettel, Irvine jumps down his throat. This is the reason why some of the team principles (especially those who lie), don't like speaking to him.
Good point. But why did Brawn deny what Jordan obviously saw? There has to be something in this. I can't believe that Jordan would simply make up the story out of thin air.
When MSc came on board, Mercedes felt that they were getting a top class driver who could help attract sponsors to a new team. He certainly will help on the commercial side of things but it is obvious that he isnt helping when it comes to the outright speed of the current car. We know this because Rosberg is using the same equipment and is being outperforming MSc.
Obviously the car isn't to MSc's liking. But then what separates are brilliant driver from an average driver is the ability to extract the maximum out of the equipment given to him. Surely any of the lesser drivers in F1 (and not F1) could go fast in a car which is designed purely to suit them?
The truth is that MSc is struggling to beat Rosberg, who is not in the same class as Hamilton, Alonso or even Button. Those are the facts. Why should Mercedes continue to employ a 41 year old who can't beat his own team-mate, let alone Alonso/Hamilton/Button?
MSc has shown that he is now past his best.
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If the drivers being seen going to the Mercedes motorhome are current F1 drivers who are expected to still be race drivers in 2011, and not test drivers, then Ross Brawn is stuck for an explanation.
If, however, the drivers going to Mercedes are going there because they fear losing their race seat and hope that Mercedes will build a good car for 2011 and so are courting Mercedes in the hope that a year or two 'testing' for Mercedes can get their race career back on track all Ross has to do is say, "We want a replacement for Nick".
If, however, the drivers going to Mercedes are going there because they fear losing their race seat and hope that Mercedes will build a good car for 2011 and so are courting Mercedes in the hope that a year or two 'testing' for Mercedes can get their race career back on track all Ross has to do is say, "We want a replacement for Nick".
I agree with all that, Mercedes just won't have the balls to sack him though. MS hasn't even been able to extract laps from the car in the wet. As you say he can't even get close to getting the max out the equipment given him.
He is the racing equivalent of Mike Tyson, all he had left in the tank was a hard punch and nothing else. All MS has left is his name, which stops him getting the sack and helps draw in sponsors. Anyone else would be looking at his P45 now.
Utterly schooled by Rosberg, I doubt anyone expected that when Rosberg was hardly familiar with the car either.
At this stage of the season he still is only 5 points off the top. Whats that in last years money, 3 or 4 points. Would you consider him out of it in last years points system?
Even vettel is only 24 points away, 11 points ish in last years points.
Personally I still think this is Lewis title, he just had a blip. Alonso doesn't have a hope with the engines he has left.
Button had a great weekend in one of the least technical tracks, I imagine Hamilton would be ahead of him from now on.
A lot depends on how much the red bull really has changed, if the car has been altered so doesn't have the full fuel range consistency the flexi car had well then webber isn't fast enough to stop hamilton.
Stupid error by hamilton today considering where webber finished.
Nope. Still very much in with a chance. New package arriving at the next race so that could bring them up front again.
At the moment I'd say that there's very little between the Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari - I don't think there's an outright fastest car - it's all circuit dependent.
considering people were still saying button and alonso were well in it before today i dont see how you can write off hamilton being only a few points behind webber.
think he has just had an overall bad weekend.