Italian Grand Prix 2010, Monza Circuit - Race 14/19

utajoker said:
considering people were still saying button and alonso were well in it before today i dont see how you can write off hamilton being only a few points behind webber.

think he has just had an overall bad weekend.
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See Id say this about another driver...

But Brundle hit on the head today... when things go wrong with Hamilton... he suddenly starts to lose it. Today he showed glimpses of the carelessness he showed in 2007 and to an extent, 2008.

I wouldnt say he lost the season today...

But I would say that if he does lose the season, todays race would probably the biggest contributor of that.
 
Hamilton definitely isn't out of it. You are comparing him against Webber, who is an average driver and definitely not in the same class as Hamilton, Alonso or Button. However, RBR keep providing him with the best car on the track.

If RBR can give him a car which is 1s/lap faster than the rest (as has been the case on some tracks), then Webber should be able to pick up 25 or 18 points in some of the remaining races. If so, Hamilton will be in trouble.

Another point of note is Alonso (who I believe will finish up as the top points scorer in the 2nd half of the season), who, in a decent car, will definitely be capable of beating Hamilton. Alonso's problem is that in 1 of the remaining races, he will probably be starting in the middle of the grid (due to an impending engine penalty).

The big unknown is just how well will all the cars peform for the remainder of the season. Many teams will be bringing big upgrades to Singapore and we have no idea how they will perform.
 
sunama said:
The big unknown is just how well will all the cars peform for the remainder of the season. Many teams will be bringing big upgrades to Singapore and we have no idea how they will perform.
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Yep I don't think RBR will walk this - Mclaren and Ferrari could have some good upgrades here too.
 
Pretty much impossible to predict anything - just the way it should be (but so rarely is).

Alonso does well when he's happy, he must be happy now!

Hamilton cracks up under pressure - will this be the start of his end this season?

Red Bull should have the best car but will the changes in the floor / wing have mullered their performance?

To be honest I hope drivers and teams keep making mistakes, engines blow up and we have some torrential rain because it makes me, the spectator, a very happy bunny :)
 
Oh gees, just seen the video of the engineer getting hit by lolamoto. :( the bbc made it out to be nothing but a bump ... except that looked brutal. Was he even wearing a crash helmet? :( poor bloke got tossed like a doll. Lollipop bloke needs new glasses I think.
 
In the defence of the lollipop man, the guy is leaning into the cockpit and looks like he's obscured from view of the lollipop man by the car's airbox.

However I'd say the issue here is that the lollipop guy was standing in the wrong place to start with, as he can't see what's going on on the right side of the car. If he was in front of the car he'd have seen everything going on.

HRT really need to review their pit procedures.
 
Mr Jack said:
Season lost today for Lewis?
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Why? They said that about Alonso last week, but after today, he is right back in the hunt again.

I still thing Hamilton will win the WDC. I would really rather it was Webber, but i fear he will bottle it though.
 
Am not quite sure of all this talk of Hamilton 'cracking under pressure' comes from, to me it seems he took a gamble on the setup that didn't pay off and then went out of the race due to a genuine driver error that wasn't really his (nor anybody elses) fault?

If he'd binned it himself and chucked it through the gravel pushing too hard during qualifying, fair enough, but to me seems to have made 1 call which compromised his race from the start, then damaged his car in a racing incident.

That his car was damaged in the way it was today seemed almost unlucky to me, given the number of car to car incidents this year where people have managed to drive on whilst carrying damage, or somehow get off scot free (Alonso at the chicane at Spa for example).
 
Memphis said:
Season lost for Hamilton?

Good god where have these 'fans' come from?! :rolleyes:
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Quite.

Okay, so this weekend could have gone better for him. But he's hardly out of the title hunt yet. Hell, everyone down to Kubica has a mathematical chance of the title still.
 
Will said:
Am not quite sure of all this talk of Hamilton 'cracking under pressure' comes from, to me it seems he took a gamble on the setup that didn't pay off and then went out of the race due to a genuine driver error that wasn't really his (nor anybody elses) fault?

If he'd binned it himself and chucked it through the gravel pushing too hard during qualifying, fair enough, but to me seems to have made 1 call which compromised his race from the start, then damaged his car in a racing incident.

That his car was damaged in the way it was today seemed almost unlucky to me, given the number of car to car incidents this year where people have managed to drive on whilst carrying damage, or somehow get off scot free (Alonso at the chicane at Spa for example).
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I personally wouldnt say it wasnt unlucky. Tbh, people are quick to forget how he was driving at the beginning of the season and he had it coming.

Furthermore I dont disagree that he wasnt "cracking under pressure" today per se, but rather now that he has seen all 4 potential title contenders take a considerable step forward, not to mention him and his team mate dropping down a place in the standings, it will almost certainly have some psychological impact, if his performance in previous years in similar situations are anything to go by. He lost it in 2007 and nearly lost it in 2008.


So who knows... there are just too many factors involved and I for one, would not want to bet on guessing who the victor would be...
 
Lewis always works best under pressure. I doubt he will ever win a WDC without making it hard for himself. That's just his way of operating.

He was a little over confident in that move but also very unlucky. 9 times out of 10 a move like that wouldn't have caused fatal car damage. It just so happened that it did this time. I guess he will treat that mega strong Ferrari rear-end with a little more respect next time ;)

Just you wait, next race... he'll bounce back :)


If anyone is under WDC pressure right now, it is Alonso. He has no fresh engines left for the rest of the season. Hah.
 
Hamilton and Webber still have a significant lead - it all comes down to who can be most consistent over the next few races - and whether McLaren can match Red Bull and Ferrari on the higher downforce tracks.

Personally, I'm hoping for wet races in Singapore and Japan just in case :D
 
Cosworth have confirmed that they will not be supplying engines to Lotus in 2011.

Cosworth has reached an agreement in principle with Lotus Racing whereby the team’s Cosworth engine supply agreement will come to a conclusion at the end of the current Formula One season. This agreement is subject to contract and until the agreement is signed, neither party will be making any further comment.
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Shame - Lotus Cosworth always had a good ring to it.

On the plus side... Team Lotus-Renault it is then. :D
 
NathanE said:
Lewis always works best under pressure. I doubt he will ever win a WDC without making it hard for himself. That's just his way of operating.
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I disagree. The facts suggest otherwise (last race of the seasons)

In 2007 he messed up on lap 1 having been overtaken by Alonso and then engaging the pit limiter... he could have so easily won that season.

In 2008 he got overtaken by what was an inferior car during that season (in Seb Vettel) and only lucked into the WDC because of the ailing Toyota. But thats racing of course.

(In both instances I am talking about the last race and the pressure on culmination of the seasons last race - NOT the events that happened in previous races).

So in both instances, there was an element of Hamilton panicking or making a hash of his title chances or however you like to call it, in the first instance it directly affect him, in the second, lady luck was on his side.

If anyone is under WDC pressure right now, it is Alonso. He has no fresh engines left for the rest of the season. Hah.
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Is the rule 8 changes? or if you use MORE than 8 engines? Because I think Alonso still has other of his allocated 8 engines...
 
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hiroofheroes said:
Hamilton and Webber still have a significant lead - it all comes down to who can be most consistent over the next few races - and whether McLaren can match Red Bull and Ferrari on the higher downforce tracks.

Personally, I'm hoping for wet races in Singapore and Japan just in case :D
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As I said earlier, anything can happen. All it takes is for a singapore race and for it to rain cats and dogs, Webber and Hamilton come together into the armco barrier and poof. You have a title race between 5 contenders which I cannot remember when was the last time this has happenend...
 
Cavallino said:
Is the rule 8 changes? or if you use MORE than 8 engines? Because I think Alonso still has other of his allocated 8 engines...
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8 engines.
However 2 have been lost to failures
1 can only be used in Free Practice sessions or at the final Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi
3 of the surviving engines have done 3 races each
The other 2 have each done 1 race - but the highest engine wear circuits.

So it entirely depends on how life is left in the remaining engines. The 3 that have done 3 races each are going to be really quite close to the limit. Any engine failures during the remaining free practice sessions could be disastrous.

Any engine over the 8 will get a 10 place penalty at the first event it is used.

Ferrari's engine has been the least reliable by a long way this year. Surprisingly, the most reliable has been the Cosworth lump.
 
Flibster said:
8 engines.
However 2 have been lost to failures
1 can only be used in Free Practice sessions or at the final Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi
3 of the surviving engines have done 3 races each
The other 2 have each done 1 race - but the highest engine wear circuits.

So it entirely depends on how life is left in the remaining engines. The 3 that have done 3 races each are going to be really quite close to the limit. Any engine failures during the remaining free practice sessions could be disastrous.

Any engine over the 8 will get a 10 place penalty at the first event it is used.

Ferrari's engine has been the least reliable by a long way this year. Surprisingly, the most reliable has been the Cosworth lump.
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Cheers flibster.

What was that url which showed a detailed breakdown of engine usage thusfar?
 
JRS said:
Okay, so this weekend could have gone better for him. But he's hardly out of the title hunt yet. Hell, everyone down to Kubica has a mathematical chance of the title still.
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Aye, he's not out of it yet. That's not what I meant. At this race McLaren were stronger than red bull, something that won't be repeated for the remainder of the season unless McLaren pull something amazing out the bag. Despite this advantage Lewis leaves behind Webber in the DC. Going into the last few races with a lead you'd back him to do enough to hold on for the title but climbing past Webber again in a weaker car is a tall order.

I suspect this retirement will be pivotal when we look back on the season.
 
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