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The Cosworth engine has the least chance to fail as the hydraulics or gearbox give up first on 3 of the teams 
Italian Grand Prix 2010, Monza Circuit - Race 14/19
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Of course it was his fault, he stuck his car in a gap that didn't exist. It was always going to result in atleast a broken bit of carbon fibre. It's hard to say whether his set up was the wrong one.
I don't think he's under pressure because no one probably including himself realistically think s with the engines he has left can win it.
I find the engine ruling a bit sad for the drivers title. The grid penalty is way too severe. Of course no one here will agree with that until lewis loses a championship when engines start going bang. I'd rather see them pay a fine or moved back a row instead of robbing us of a decent championship when the driver has little to do with those failures.
Does seem a bit silly as if you have a poor quali or topsy turvy conditions at this late in the season on that rule you could take the extra engine for much less of a penalty and have the benefits of a lovely fresh engine.
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Hamilton, you spanner!
I think its pretty obvious that Alonso is going to have use the extra engine somewhere. I presume that he will pick a race where he feels that grid position has least impact. In that particular race, he will have to accept 5th - 8th place finish, providing he is able to start in around 13th -15th place. Alternatively, he may opt to start in the pitlane and use some crazy strategy, like at Monaco.
I agree, but in fairness to the FIA they have done everything reasonably possible to keep Alonso in the title hunt. Lest we forget what happened in Monaco, followed by the team order debacle. Oh and lets not forget that the FIA allowed Ferrari to update their engines, to improve reliability.
Come on Alonso, how much assistance do you need?
considering the fractions of a second JB needed to get into the first corner in the lead after Alonso's stop, I think all that damage to the rear of his car made a huge difference - after all McLaren wouldnt be designing it like that if that particular shape wasnt needed to funnel the air properly
Personally think JB deserved to win after all the pressure he soaked up withou, t any descernable error for 40+ laps (before his stop), but the Ferrari team are seemingly stilll absolutely obliterating everyone in their pitstop times
The other thing which Im not sure about is that it looked like Massa/Alonso's wing did the damage to JB's rear wing in the first chicane right there and then, (with the slo mo footage showing lots of carbon fibre going everywhere) - but after the corner another much larger more straight /complete piece can also be seen flying out from JB's car as he accelerates on the actual straight, but where was this missing from?
I think Lewis seriously ******* up yesterday - whats one of the most famous sayings in F1......you cant win the race in the first corner, but you certainly can lose it.......imo thats exactly what he did by pushing a bad position, he was always going to come off worse from there, ......and dont forget Vettel still has to crash into him at some point this season too (its bound to happen some time lol). This result itself wont do any damage to LH's title challange but the pressure he puts on himself in the next race weekend especially could well do
What really annoyed me was before the actual race began...the Senna video, I wish for once they would mention Roland Ratzenberger in the film (most films one watches these days ONLY mention Senna, and that he was the 1st for several years, when he wasnt at all) - after all it was already a really tragic weekend even before Senna died when RR died in quali , I know Jake made a (very) passing comment after the film finished I just think RR deserves a little more respect thats all, even comparing the two careers in question
edit - back to the race itself, as was mentioned, being so close behind Ferrari could always afford to blink last in the pitstop, McLaren indicated (just after JB's stop) that the new tyres were already faster, I have to admit I was hoping for Alonso to pick up a puncture on the carbon fibre he/his team mate caused to be lying on the first corner - which would have been a bit of justice lol
Personally think JB deserved to win after all the pressure he soaked up withou, t any descernable error for 40+ laps (before his stop), but the Ferrari team are seemingly stilll absolutely obliterating everyone in their pitstop times
The other thing which Im not sure about is that it looked like Massa/Alonso's wing did the damage to JB's rear wing in the first chicane right there and then, (with the slo mo footage showing lots of carbon fibre going everywhere) - but after the corner another much larger more straight /complete piece can also be seen flying out from JB's car as he accelerates on the actual straight, but where was this missing from?
I think Lewis seriously ******* up yesterday - whats one of the most famous sayings in F1......you cant win the race in the first corner, but you certainly can lose it.......imo thats exactly what he did by pushing a bad position, he was always going to come off worse from there, ......and dont forget Vettel still has to crash into him at some point this season too (its bound to happen some time lol). This result itself wont do any damage to LH's title challange but the pressure he puts on himself in the next race weekend especially could well do
What really annoyed me was before the actual race began...the Senna video, I wish for once they would mention Roland Ratzenberger in the film (most films one watches these days ONLY mention Senna, and that he was the 1st for several years, when he wasnt at all) - after all it was already a really tragic weekend even before Senna died when RR died in quali , I know Jake made a (very) passing comment after the film finished I just think RR deserves a little more respect thats all, even comparing the two careers in question
edit - back to the race itself, as was mentioned, being so close behind Ferrari could always afford to blink last in the pitstop, McLaren indicated (just after JB's stop) that the new tyres were already faster, I have to admit I was hoping for Alonso to pick up a puncture on the carbon fibre he/his team mate caused to be lying on the first corner - which would have been a bit of justice lol
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I agree, but in fairness to the FIA they have done everything reasonably possible to keep Alonso in the title hunt. Lest we forget what happened in Monaco, followed by the team order debacle. Oh and lets not forget that the FIA allowed Ferrari to update their engines, to improve reliability.
Come on Alonso, how much assistance do you need?
Th same can be said about Mclaren and getting away with a fair bit themselves at the beginning of the season.
What did happen in Monaco? Alonso stuffed it in FP?
I don't think drivers should be getting punished so harshly for something out of their control. They are punished hard enough when the engine lets go in the first place. No need for such a harsh double penalty.
It has been mentioned how unreliable the ferrari has been this year, well that has hurt Alonso enough already.
I would hate to see a situation for any driver who leads the title by driving brilliantly all year but ends up getting demoted time and time again because of an engine change, thus losing him the title. Thats what the constructors title is for.
Ridiculous isn't it. They had to carry all the fuel on board as well and they didn't grain at all. It should have been the super soft compound rather than soft.
What have McLaren got away with this season?
I would assume he's referring to the demonstration of how two team mates can race together and salted-wound-rubbing they did to RBR in Hunguary. I.e. just a conspiracy that some quarters of the less-than devout McLaren fanclub have.
MSc overtook Alonso, fair and square, on the last lap, only for the Stewards/FIA to overule the overtake and give Alonso back the place and the extra point.
While they cant manage engines minute to minute like they can the "feel" of tyres - I dont see why it should be very different either
Now that the allocation is pretty tight - imagine the possibility of two sets of tyres being ruined on the same car early one weekend, it could be pretty difficult weekend from that moment on I would suspect.
If the team wish to push the engine into unsafe territory the driver should be there to tell them its an unreasonable situation (esp given that I would suspect lighter fuel modes could stress the engine in different ways also)
Plus surely the engine is the single most expensive componant in the car, it SHOULD be the first thing targeted were budgets are concerned
Bizarre
two sensible team mates racing fairly = team getting away with something
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The engines are rev limited from years ago, they can't push the engines. They won't select into the wrong gear if the rev range isn't correct. It's extremely hard these days to be hard on the engine from a drivers point of view. It's not like before where they pushed ever last bit of performance from the engine.
This rule would work in those situations where you had updates every race because it would stop them going mental like they did before and having an engine for each session. Or like BMW did a qualifying engine and race engine.
If your leading a race and your engine goes bang, thats penalty enough imo, anything more should go to the contructor. If you change engine half points for the contructor or something along those lines.
As I say I hope next year JB or Hamilton loses a championship because of engine allocation, I'm sure we will hear a different tune then.
As for most expensive component in a car, I doubt that very much these days. What the team throw at aero dwarfs engine use for the year.
This rule would work in those situations where you had updates every race because it would stop them going mental like they did before and having an engine for each session. Or like BMW did a qualifying engine and race engine.
If your leading a race and your engine goes bang, thats penalty enough imo, anything more should go to the contructor. If you change engine half points for the contructor or something along those lines.
As I say I hope next year JB or Hamilton loses a championship because of engine allocation, I'm sure we will hear a different tune then.
As for most expensive component in a car, I doubt that very much these days. What the team throw at aero dwarfs engine use for the year.
"Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind."
I cant remember all the events but the two or three that stick out.
Hamilton four weave manuever on a Renault (cant remember which one) - "being warned". You are either penalised or you are not.
Button - race restart schenaingans in China or Malaysia (cant remember which one). Backing the pack up and causing a collision between cars at the back.
Hamilton (again I think Malaysia) - doubling into the pits and effectively going in the opposite direct of the track.
Hamilton (again Malaysia I think!) - squeezing vettel in the pits.
Hamilton - (cant remember which race) - the safety car incident, backing up Alonso and then taking off... stewards taking 20 laps to decide whther to penalise, making any penalty moot.
Now whether you agree or not with any of these is another topic, but they are questionable incidents.
So easy to forget the incidents of the team you support. Which is why I asked about the Alonso incident above at Monaco
