Italian Grand Prix 2011, Monza Circuit - Race 13/19

I love F1, but.... I always wanted Mansell to win the championship, but in 91 or when ever, after the first 5 races it was just boring, the whole thing runs out of excitement.

This has happened this year now, F1 for the English fan is in darks days, this year is effectively just going through the motion, next year half will be on the pay channel.

Anyway, probably be an RB 1-2 tomorrow.
 
deuse said:
Utter rubbish and you know it....get out the weather is great.
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The facts speak for themselves.

trickycurve said:
Just to make it clear: it was 10 pole positions for two years in a row, so 20 in total. No doubt Vettel will continue his streak, though.
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Vettel consistently qualifies, far ahead of his team-mate.
Webber is no slouch, but is being made to look very bad by Vettel...especially in qualifying.

A lot of people like to view the past with rose-tinted specs. Senna was fantastic, but then so is Vettel. Vettel IS the polemeister. No question about it.
 
Qualification results

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[b]Pos  Driver                Team                 Time            Gap   [/b]
 1.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault     1m22.275s
 2.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes     1m22.725s   + 0.450
 3.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes     1m22.777s   + 0.502
 4.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari              1m22.841s   + 0.566
 5.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault     1m22.972s   + 0.697
 6.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari              1m23.188s   + 0.913
 7.  Vitaly Petrov         Renault              1m23.530s   + 1.255
 8.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes             1m23.777s   + 1.502
 9.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes             1m24.477s   + 2.202
10.  Bruno Senna           Renault              No time
Q2 cut-off time: 1m24.157s                                   Gap **
11.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes 1m24.163s   + 1.249
12.  Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes 1m24.209s   + 1.295
13.  Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth    1m24.648s   + 1.734
14.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Cosworth    1m24.726s   + 1.812
15.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari       1m24.845s   + 1.931
16.  Sebastien Buemi       Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1m24.932s   + 2.018
17.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari       1m25.065s   + 2.151
Q1 cut-off time: 1m25.164s                                    Gap *
18.  Jaime Alguersuari     Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1m25.334s   + 1.358
19.  Jarno Trulli          Lotus-Renault        1m26.647s   + 2.671
20.  Heikki Kovalainen     Lotus-Renault        1m27.184s   + 3.208
21.  Timo Glock            Virgin-Cosworth      1m27.591s   + 3.615
22.  Jerome D'Ambrosio     Virgin-Cosworth      1m27.609s   + 3.633
23.  Daniel Ricciardo      HRT-Cosworth         1m28.054s   + 4.078
24.  Tonio Liuzzi          HRT-Cosworth         1m28.231s   + 4.255

107% time: 1m29.854s

* Gap to quickest in Q1
** Gap to quickest in Q2
 
sunama said:
Vettel consistently qualifies, far ahead of his team-mate.
Webber is no slouch, but is being made to look very bad by Vettel...especially in qualifying.

A lot of people like to view the past with rose-tinted specs. Senna was fantastic, but then so is Vettel. Vettel IS the polemeister. No question about it.
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So Webber is no slouch now when it suits this argument, last year when he was at his absolute peak you said he was pap, average, journeyman.

Now you need him as a comparison to his team mate he's no slouch so you can talk up Vettel.

He has the best car by far and a broken team mate, last year webber thought he genuinely had a shout. This year he knows, probably by the contract he signed he has zero chance. That must get in your head, same for massa.

Where was this polemeister in 09? Where was he in 08?

It's down to the car you're in. Stick him in the same car as Hamilton or Alonso and lets see this polemeister dissapear again.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Kobe, maybe, the other one, you're still mental, Maldanado by not turning caused the collision, it really is as simple as that.

Kobe, its strange, Hamilton had completed the move, Kobe was much slower, there wasn't a chance in hell of getting the place back, it wasn't quite a front runner passing a blue flagged car and the blue flagged car then trying to re-overtake, but it was essentially as stupid and a very odd thing to do. Should Hamilton have seen him, yes, should he have avoided him, yes, did Kobe have every right to be there, sure, SHOULD Kobe have been there, no, there was no reason at all and in 99% of cases he wouldn't have half heartedly tried to get his place back from a front runner on a completely different strategy who was much faster.
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Sorry but this is carp.

There was no blue flag on Kobe. Kobe absolutely SHOULD have been there. Hamilton did the lazy overtake and was in no mans land. Kobe was clearly pulling wide to take a wider line into the corner to try and get better drive out of it and go past Hamilton (didn't Vettell do Alonso here too?).

Kobe had every right to try and take the place back. There's no rule that says the bottom 2/3 of the field just have to roll over at the sight of a supposedly superior driver.
 
Kamui did nothing wrong imo, Lewis was at fault for not turning properly, it's almost as if he drifted out to his left unnecessarily. I don't know why, when he was past, he didn't just stay on the line he was on and turn in. Simples.
 
I can almost guarantee that is Webber tried that move into Eau Rogue against Hamilton there would have been an incident.
 
Sukh said:
I can almost guarantee that is Webber tried that move into Eau Rogue against Hamilton there would have been an incident.
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Doubt it, Lewis and Mark are friends and get along for one and Lewis ain't that dangerous.
 
Sukh said:
I can almost guarantee that is Webber tried that move into Eau Rogue against Hamilton there would have been an incident.
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Same as if he tried it against Senna or Schumacher, I guess that stops people trying 50/50's too often. :D

If the doubt to try the move is there then Webber wouldn't have tried it and Hamilton would have him beat.
 
smr said:
Doubt it, Lewis and Mark are friends and get along for one and Lewis ain't that dangerous.
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I don't think that makes a difference.

On the track, Lewis doesn't have the skills to avoid accidents like Alonso or Vettel.
 
Sukh said:
I don't think that makes a difference.

On the track, Lewis doesn't have the skills to avoid accidents like Alonso or Vettel.
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Alonso has had his fair share of incidents when overtaking.

Vettel we haven't seen overtake all that much, except when lapping a lot more quickly and on different rubber in a superior car.

The problem is, Hamilton has a car that he is having to push very hard to get any decent positions. That doesn't mean I agree with his all or nothing approach, it just creates enemies and drama, but it is great to watch.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Alonso has had his fair share of incidents when overtaking.

Vettel we haven't seen overtake all that much, except when lapping a lot more quickly and on different rubber in a superior car.

The problem is, Hamilton has a car that he is having to push very hard to get any decent positions. That doesn't mean I agree with his all or nothing approach, it just creates enemies and drama, but it is great to watch.
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This is part of the problem. Hamilton's approach is 25 points or nothing, and at Spa we saw nothing. I love watching Hamilton on a charge - fantastic driver to watch take a car and circuit by the scruff of the neck and just get more out of it than anyone else.

However, to be a great driver, this needs to be tempered with a general race awareness, in varying amounts according to the situation, a recognition that to win races and championships you need to drive the car over the line at the flag. Monaco was a great example - he didn't need to try and take Massa there or then - it was forced.

Spa was a worse example IMO, because he wasn't even thinking. Yes, he made the pass but then after that where was his head? Was it two corners ahead, was it about guarding his tyres to run longer, was it about dropping the hammer to make up some time? In fact it appeared to be nowhere further away than looking at the next corner, and certainly wasn't looking all around or in his mirrors. It doesn't make him a bad driver, but it does show careless behaviour and - at the moment at least - lacking that extra 1% that would make him a great driver.

Yes, the McLaren isn't the best car this year, but that does not give the excuse to make the mistakes he is making. We've already seen plenty of evidence that mixing Lewis' qualifying with Jenson's racing this year would have seen a decent challenge to Vettell.

Much as I really like Jenson I think Lewis is the better racer and probably just about the better driver. But at the moment, Jenson has raised his game to outperform. Lewis is falling short of expectations, and the real shame is that there is room for both of them to be up there.
 
MissChief said:
Oooh there might be rain tomorrow!!!! JB or MS ***!
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Yup thundery showers possible :)


Vettel may not have it easy any way though -

Sebastian Vettel's hopes of winning the Italian Grand Prix will almost certainly depend on him being able to make a clean break at the front of the field in the early stages of the race, reckon his main rivals.

Onboard footage and straight-line speed figures from qualifying suggest that Vettel has almost certainly opted for a shorter gear ratio than his main opposition - which could leave him exposed if he comes under threat from rivals in the DRS zones.

Vettel was slowest of all through the Monza speed trap before the first corner – with his 327.7 km/h figure comparing to Fernando Alonso's 342.2 km/h, Mark Webber's 336.1 km/h, Jenson Button's 333.1 km/h and Lewis Hamilton's 332.7 km/h

The maximum speed that is measured just before the finish line, shows Vettel is already slower than his rivals there – with him recording 316.6 km/h in qualifying, compared to Michael Schumacher's 323.5 km/h, Alonso's 321.3 km/h, Button's 319.4 km/h and Hamilton's 318.4 km/h.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94453
 
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