Italian Grand Prix 2011, Monza Circuit - Race 13/19

Smart move by McLaren in making Button come in when he was about to improve and go in front of Hamilton, also smart move by Hamilton when he aborted his lap after he locked up which saves him having to drive on a flat spotted FL.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Another stonking lap by Vet, did I hear he aphas now broken or due to break some qualifying record?
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Yeah...wasn't concentrating.
Can someone tell us whose record Vettel was due to match or break?

I heard the name Senna in there, though MSc holds pretty much every record in F1.
 
Mr.Fantastic said:
Smart move by McLaren in making Button come in when he was about to improve and go in front of Hamilton, also smart move by Hamilton when he aborted his lap after he locked up which saves him having to drive on a flat spotted FL.
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Was well down in that sector after he did that, wouldnt have been his FL tyres anyway
 
Nice try by Ferrari :p Good to see the Mclarens both up there and hopefully out of any trouble on the first lap. Had a feeling Vettel would get pole, they've got the low downforce settings working now and always have extra pace in Q3.
 
andyd said:
Meh.... another Vettle pole.... and win i guess......
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Not win....not yet.

Vettel is ALWAYS fast in qualifying. He is arguably the best qualifier we have seen since Senna.

However, in the race, he will (as if by magic), be vulnerable to Hamilton.
IF Hamilton can enter the first corner either in 1st or 2nd, I think he has a good chance of a win.

Hamilton's achillies heal is poor McLaren strategy and his inability to stay out of trouble.

I still say McLaren 1-2. Button can definitely finish top 4, but tomorrow's race result is greatly dependent on whether Hamilton has an incident.

Also, on the subject of Hamilton's collisions: there are a lot of Hamilton fans here...fair enough. He is my favourite driver. But one thing that F1 fans must consider is that to be a top line driver (and possibly the best driver) in F1, you must have the ability to stay out of trouble. Even when certain drivers are driving like idiots, as a top line driver, it is YOUR responsibility to stay out of trouble. IMO, the 2 collisions Hamilton had 2 weeks ago, were both avoidable and had Button/Alonso been Hamilton's position, neither of them would've resulted in contact.

Hamilton has to start driving more intelligently. He can't "expect" other drivers to read his mind and stay out of his way.
 
Interesting, still not quite sure what was going on in practice this morning as Mclaren looked WAY better in quali, though Vettel ended up miles ahead I think Hamilton would have actually been a lot closer with a good lap in there. Stupid to panic and put in a soft tyre lap in Q2 though, was so obvious no one was even close to capable of that 1.23.7 time he did on hards which was pretty damn awesome.

Will be interesting to see how the race unfolds to be honest, Mclaren seem very very good in the middle sector, and if they can close on people in the middle sector and then go through the drs zone right after, it could work out quite nicely.

They seem to be setting up for race wing though and race pace will be interesting to see. Also wondering if Hamilton used the same softs in first run in q3 as he used in q2.
 
sunama said:
Hamilton has to start driving more intelligently. He can't "expect" other drivers to read his mind and stay out of his way.
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Kobe, maybe, the other one, you're still mental, Maldanado by not turning caused the collision, it really is as simple as that.

Kobe, its strange, Hamilton had completed the move, Kobe was much slower, there wasn't a chance in hell of getting the place back, it wasn't quite a front runner passing a blue flagged car and the blue flagged car then trying to re-overtake, but it was essentially as stupid and a very odd thing to do. Should Hamilton have seen him, yes, should he have avoided him, yes, did Kobe have every right to be there, sure, SHOULD Kobe have been there, no, there was no reason at all and in 99% of cases he wouldn't have half heartedly tried to get his place back from a front runner on a completely different strategy who was much faster.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Can't see Vettel winning tbh.

That powerslide of his was impressive though!
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I think it will basically all depend on the start, lately Red bulls(though mostly Webber) have been very poor at the start, if Hamilton and Button, even Alonso can get ahead of him he'll have a very hard job of winning the race, if he gets away first with no problems, its hard to see past him for a win tbh.
 
Locke said:
He didn't set a time because he wanted to save tires and was going to be last in Q3 anyways :p
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Ah I see. :) Still, good to see he might start to make a better name for himself. I like supporting the underdog sometimes. And as I said the other day, it would be a great zero to hero fairytale story if he lived up to his father's name and worked his way to the top by being in half decent cars.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Kobe, maybe, the other one, you're still mental, Maldanado by not turning caused the collision, it really is as simple as that.
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You are thinking exactly like Hamilton - in a simplistic way.
And this is how Hamilton should stop thinking.

Sure, it could be argued that the collision was not Hamilton's fault and was totally Maldo's fault. I don't agree with this, but I will give you this.

The problem though that Hamiton's car was broken for Q3 and could quite possibly have slowed him down.

I'm using the Maldo crash as an example.

Now, an intelligent driver would think, "I have Q3 to go...I cannot afford to get involved with crashes with any idiots on the road...hence, I need to drive defensively and carefully". Note that Button, to date, has never been involved in such an incident...not once. I rate Button as currently the most intelligent driver in F1. Also note that MSc, in all his GPs, also didn't get involved in an incident like that (ie. a crash, during qualifying, after the session was over).

To be a top driver, you need to fast. Yes.
You need to have the ability to manoeuvre yourself into the best car/team possible. Prost was the best at this. A true master in politics.
You need to know when to take risks and when not to.
When to drive defensively and when to attack.
You need to know what sort of a driver you are dicing with, if there is another driver in close proximity [Note: do not mess with Kobayashi...even I know that].
You need to have good intelligence - this effects strategy and your ability to think beyond your current lap.

In summary, an average driver would say, "oh yeah...that was Maldo's fault".

A top driver would say, "Damnit...I should not have put my car in that position, at this moment in time".

These are the little nuances which separate Alonso (and I would now say, Vettel), from the rest of the field.

IMO, Hamilton needs his radio man to play a greater part in Hamilton's racing...just like Massa's engineer does. He should give advice and then it is upto Hamilton to decide whether he wants to take it or not. Unfortunately, Hamilton will not be bestowed with high intelligence in swoop...which is why I think Hamilton needs a better radio man. A better radio man would've definitely prevented Hamilton's crash in Canada, where he was attempting to win the race in the first few laps of the GP.
 
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