Italian Grand Prix 2013, Monza - Race 12/19

Skeeter said:
Could have saved your keyboard and just posted that, tbh :p



RBR is a bubble that will burst. As soon as they stop winning they will be gone, the team sold, and things will change.

Ferrari is a constant. They have been in F1 since year dot, and for the most part have been competitive.
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We are in until at least 2020 and the amount of money that has been spent on the facility would suggest we are in for the long haul.
 
sunama said:
All the top drivers drive for Ferrari.
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Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jack Brabham, Jackie Stewart, Emmo Fittipaldi, Nelson Piquet, Mika Hakkinen. All multiple world champions, none of them ever drove for Ferrari in F1 (and one of them only drove for one team in his GP career). And that's only drivers with more than one title to their name, if I went on naming all the drivers who could be considered top line that never drove for Ferrari I'd be here all night....:p

Now, having said that - of course driving for Ferrari is going to have a bit of a special draw. Biggest and oldest name left in the business. And for Vettel, the idea of driving the same cars that his childhood idol used to win five titles on the bounce must be a bit tempting.
 
http://instagram.com/p/eFyM4QHLf1/#
From 2014 i will no longer be driving for Ferrari. I would like to thank the team for all the victories and incredible moments experienced together. Thank you also to my wife and all of my family, to my fans and all my Sponsors. From each one of you I have always received a great support! Right now I want to push as hard as possible with Ferrari for the remaining 7 races. For next year, I want to find a team that can give me a competitive car to win many more races and challenge for the Championship which remains my greatest objective! Thank you all. Felipe
 
Not sure I'm happy about this tbh. Always loved massa and it's a shame that horrific injury robbed him of his confidence. Good luck to him and I hope he finds a good team. Would have preferred a younger driver to get the seat but Ferrari just don't trust them! Anyway it will be interesting as a Ferrari fan next year to see that dynamic unfold. I can't see Alonso being too happy but his relationship with the team seems to be breaking down.
 
PikeyPriest said:
Confirmed Raikkonen to join ferrari next season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24042352

Not sure how well it will work out in terms of relationship with him and alonso, but should give an interesting season if Ferrari have a competitive car.
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BBC article said:
Ferrari, who will now have arguably the strongest driver line-up in Formula 1, have not yet announced the deal but are expected to do so imminently.
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so, not confirmed then ;)
 
SS-89 said:
Not sure I'm happy about this tbh. Always loved massa and it's a shame that horrific injury robbed him of his confidence. Good luck to him and I hope he finds a good team. Would have preferred a younger driver to get the seat but Ferrari just don't trust them! Anyway it will be interesting as a Ferrari fan next year to see that dynamic unfold. I can't see Alonso being too happy but his relationship with the team seems to be breaking down.
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Not sure Massa's accident has anything to do with his performance.

By the time he came back the Ferrari was dog. We know that Massa struggles when the car isn't perfect.

The cars has lost traction control by then. His first two races back were a 2nd and 3rd place, and he outscored Alonso in the next race.

He wouldn't even have remembered the 2009 crash (how often do people get knocked out, then ask what happened?) so there'd be nothing to loose confidence over.
 
JRS said:
Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jack Brabham, Jackie Stewart, Emmo Fittipaldi, Nelson Piquet, Mika Hakkinen.
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You could argue Ferrari didn't have the same pull back then as it does now. Of that list only Hakkinen and a rapidly declining Piquet was around for coming up half a century after the formation of the Scuderia.

Had Lotus survived (rather than that's 80's decline and the subsequent name whoring in the 90's and now), it would have likely had a similar following, though without the shouting and arm waving.
 
englishpremier said:
He wouldn't even have remembered the 2009 crash (how often do people get knocked out, then ask what happened?) so there'd be nothing to lose confidence over.
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Have you ever done anything that caused yourself a serious injury? If so have you not tried to be more careful/avoid the circumstances that led to such an incident thereafter?

It's a pretty basic human reaction to be wary of situations that have caused harm in the past, especially serious injuries.

If you haven't seen it, watch the interview between Richard Hammond and Stirling Moss – both have survived serious head trauma like Massa and both share very similar experiences of life after the crash.

The most pertinent point in that interview (to this discussion) is where Moss talks about returning to racing after the accident. He said that before the crash he worked on intuition. He instinctively knew what he needed to do at a certain corner or in any given situation. After the accident he had to think about all of things he used to take for granted like when to brake, his speed through the corner etc.

He said that the time it took him to think through the process of cornering, instead of just doing it, meant that he would get it wrong more often and ultimately he no longer felt safe.

Rather than suggesting the crash shouldn't/wouldn't affect Massa, I would say it's a miracle he was able to return to F1 at all – even if he did lose a few tenths of pace.
 
Irish_Tom said:
Have you ever done anything that caused yourself a serious injury? If so have you not tried to be more careful/avoid the circumstances that led to such an incident thereafter?

It's a pretty basic human reaction to be wary of situations that have caused harm in the past, especially serious injuries.

If you haven't seen it, watch the interview between Richard Hammond and Stirling Moss – both have survived serious head trauma like Massa and both share very similar experiences of life after the crash.

The most pertinent point in that interview (to this discussion) is where Moss talks about returning to racing after the accident. He said that before the crash he worked on intuition. He instinctively knew what he needed to do at a certain corner or in any given situation. After the accident he had to think about all of things he used to take for granted like when to brake, his speed through the corner etc.

He said that the time it took him to think through the process of cornering, instead of just doing it, meant that he would get it wrong more often and ultimately he no longer felt safe.

Rather than suggesting the crash shouldn't/wouldn't affect Massa, I would say it's a miracle he was able to return to F1 at all – even if he did lose a few tenths of pace.
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Well that's your opinion that isn't based on anything more substantial than what I posted. I don't see that the crash has affected Massa's F1 driving. He was never top rate in the first instance. He was at his best when Ferrari was arguably the best car on the grid for half a season.

His results in the first few races after coming back don't indicate a lack of confidence at all.
 
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Have you ever been knocked out?

Even though you don't remember the incident itself it definitely affects you and makes you more risk averse.
 
Sparky-F1 said:
We are in until at least 2020 and the amount of money that has been spent on the facility would suggest we are in for the long haul.
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The team, sure. But Red Bull ownership and the winning? They are far from certain. How many people working at RBR are from the Stewart GP days?
 
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