Poll: Italian Grand Prix 2019, Monza - Race 14/21

Rate the 2019 Italian Grand Prix out of ten

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Mr Jack said:
I cannot understand why he was retained by Haas.
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Especially after his 2018 season.

I can understand new teams on small budgets wanting experienced drivers to help them provide feedback on the car, but surely Grosjean's erratic performances are absolutely useless to the team.
 
an0nym0us said:
Especially after his 2018 season.

I can understand new teams on small budgets wanting experienced drivers to help them provide feedback on the car, but surely Grosjean's erratic performances are absolutely useless to the team.
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Reckon Grosjean will be out and Hulk in. Which should mean a multi million dollar donation to charity from the Haas garage, briefing room and Gunther swear jar come the end of 2020.
 
For the record, my 2 was not related to Vettel's performance, or the specific result of any driver. It was the incredibly weak, inconsistant stewarding, plus a dull race in general.

Vettel should have started the race in p9, his q3 lap was clearly outside the track limits.

Leclerc was weakly given the black/white flag for blocking Lewis at the second chicane (where Lewis then had to take the escape road) and then weakly allowed to go off at t1 without consequence. IMO he should have been told to let Lewis pass after the t1 cut at the very least, but IMO that earlier block was a "+5sec" incident, which would have challenged Ferrari to make that gap by the race end.

I'm sick of the stewards "fear" of Italian riots. Neither the WDC or WCC are realistically going to be won by Ferrari this year, so if stewards are weak now, what the heck are they going to do if/when we have a proper full-on battle between Merc/Ferrari/Redbull all the way to the season end (which might be next year the way things are shaping up)?
 
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But I said already why it was 1. Because of pathetic qualifying session, because of some drivers' poor driving, because of race full of penalties in all directions, etc.

I think Ferrari with Charles would have won regardless because of their genial management of the race pace, just barely enough to keep the top spot.
 
I thought it was yet another brilliant race.

Always cracks me up reading some of the comments on here after another good race, really are some miserable sods.

Seriously cheer up or do something that makes youse happy, f1 obviously doesnt.
 
Steampunk said:
Rosberg never had other competitive drivers/cars to deal with in the hybrid era. He only just managed to win a WDC when Hamilton had significantly worse reliability. Put Rosberg in a Mercedes today, and he'd be getting mugged by Leclerc and Verstappen in a way that he wasn't a few years back. I'd consider Rosberg a bit better than Bottas, but also still way down on Hamilton, and very much flattered by driving at a time when he had a dominant car and not many serious rivals except his team mate.
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Yup, Bottas is relatively close to Ham this year which was to this point fairly similar in domination to the first 3 years of hybrid era that Rosberg had. He was miles off last year because Ferrari and RBR beat him frequently as Ferrari was mostly on par or even faster and RBR very competitive second half of the season. If Rosberg faced a single year where Ferrari or RBR were that competitive for that much of the season he'd have lost a load of points.

In on track battles Hamilton basically smashed Rosberg every single time. IF he started several places down or had a bad start, he'd still be fighting with Rosberg and usually make the pass. The only times Rosberg stayed ahead of Hamilton were either Hamilton started from 10th or lower and the gap was just too much to make up, or it was a track like Spain, Monaco, etc.

Even Hungary when Ham started from the pitlane, he beat Rosberg. Bottas gets a bad rap compared to Rosberg because Rosberg only had one driver to fight and if Ham came first, he had a pretty easy chance of coming second. As with 2014, Ham has a DNF in the first race, wins 4 in a row and just got ahead of Rosberg with 4 wins to Rosberg's one.
 
4K8KW10 said:
But I said already why it was 1. Because of pathetic qualifying session, because of some drivers' poor driving, because of race full of penalties in all directions, etc.

I think Ferrari with Charles would have won regardless because of their genial management of the race pace, just barely enough to keep the top spot.
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Qualifying has nothing to do with rating the actual race!!!

And what poor driving? the driving from the front row was world class
 
Steampunk said:
Rosberg never had other competitive drivers/cars to deal with in the hybrid era. He only just managed to win a WDC when Hamilton had significantly worse reliability. Put Rosberg in a Mercedes today, and he'd be getting mugged by Leclerc and Verstappen in a way that he wasn't a few years back. I'd consider Rosberg a bit better than Bottas, but also still way down on Hamilton, and very much flattered by driving at a time when he had a dominant car and not many serious rivals except his team mate.
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Yup, in those years you were pretty much guaranteed a 1-2 with a good gap to the cars behind.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Yup, in those years you were pretty much guaranteed a 1-2 with a good gap to the cars behind.
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This may be true, but Rosberg was also far closer to Hamilton in pace. In 2014, he even got more poles than Lewis (and more than Bottas has managed in total since he joined Mercedes) . That's not down to the cars being slower relative to their competitors since Lewis managed as many poles in '17 and '18 as he managed in '15 and '16; it's down to Nico being a better driver.
 
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The black and white flag for Leclerc was 100% the right choice IMO. They need to be using the flag more than just instantly dishing out penalties for infringements like this and it sounds like that's the direction they're going in which is a step in the right direction.

His 2nd move on Curva Grande should have probably got him a 2nd black and white flag and thus a penalty though.
 
What about the corner cutting at the chicane? A slap on the face with Max Mosley’s sweaty leather glove?
 
timmeh said:
The black and white flag for Leclerc was 100% the right choice IMO. They need to be using the flag more than just instantly dishing out penalties for infringements like this and it sounds like that's the direction they're going in which is a step in the right direction.
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The problem with the stewards reasoning is that going forward it gives all of the drivers the green light to use their car as a weapon once per race, if a driver deliberately runs someone off the road and they get a penalty for it first time they can rightly complain about the double standards of not being warned first.

UTmaniac pointed out all of the times over the race weekend that Ferrari drivers should have been penalised but weren't (ie. Vettel in qualifying), I think the stewards just didn't want to penalise Leclerc because it was Ferrari at Monza and the introduction of the warning flag was a BS excuse for it. Jolyon Palmer did a good BBC article about it.
 
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