Of course it wasn't hence why it was increased to 15 years, sadly the good old EU decided to stick it's oar in on that >.>
James Bulger documentary
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I too, apologise profusely to you for doubting it. I've read so much BS on the internet it's hard to tell when people are just trying to make a point.
Very hard not to think what that poor little boy thinking other than really wanting his mum. I understand all the rage from people at the time and still to this day. Both of them should never have seen daylight again in my books, they knew exactly what they wanted to do as they tried to abduct another child before James.
Can only hope that fate catches up with them at some point, but that's all i'll say.
Can only hope that fate catches up with them at some point, but that's all i'll say.
In fairness there's no way to really know for sure. It could well be that Venables is as you say a master manipulator and coerced Thompson into aiding him they tried to blame him, or it could just as easily be that he really was a scared little boy who's been emotionally and mentally scarred/damaged by what his friend forced him to do.
We will never know for sure, having said that I personally think it's the former too as I knew a girl in college who was in his class in primary school and she always said he was wrong in the head even then.
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Water under the bridge. If you find me in the Star Wars thread or other such triviality then there's no doubt I'm on the wind up, feminists really are communists though!!!! This thread isn't a joking matter to me. Where I live is blighted with violent crime and we are all sick to our back teeth with it.
As I said earlier. James Mother simply wanted them to do some proper prison time after they had reached adulthood. I think even only 5 years before being released on license would have been OK with her.
But a stint in what was basically a (Rather expensive) boarding school before being released in their late teens to get on with their lives was a bit much.
Under the circumstances, James parents were actually surprisingly non-vindictive really.
The public agreed with her too, IIRC when they let them out the court even dismissed a public petition not to let them out early with almost half a million signatures
As harsh as it sounds, I've got no interest in watching this, it's sickening what they did to that poor child and I can't bring myself to hear any more of it.
It's disgusting they were released and given new identities, they do not deserve a second chance, release or anything and in this case I do not believe in the option of forgiveness or the benefit of the doubt of change.
It's disgusting they were released and given new identities, they do not deserve a second chance, release or anything and in this case I do not believe in the option of forgiveness or the benefit of the doubt of change.
But that's not what happens. They let these people out, over and over. We've already seen this guy let out twice to go on and reoffend.
Yes, and I’m saying that’s wrong. The system is failing if he’s released and reoffends. There is a failure or multiple failures among the people responsible for rehabilitating him, deciding whether to release him, and monitoring him once he has been released.
None of which undermines the wider notion of rehabilitation.
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The Bulger killers were sent to Red Bank Detention Centre in Newton-Le-Willows. It's a bit of a backwater actually between St Helens, where I live, and Warrington.
Whilst it's certainly no holiday resort it isn't like a normal youth offenders institute. Only the most despicable young offenders go there and as such they largely get left alone. By contrast a youth offenders institute is incredibly violent. I have worked with people who have been through the legal system and they assure me that they would rather go to adult prison than "youthie".
By putting them in Red Bank they were kept from the "trophy hunters" that would most likely have gone after them in mainstream prison. On top of that it is a great insult to the family to detain them less than 30 minutes from where the incident occured.
Whilst it's certainly no holiday resort it isn't like a normal youth offenders institute. Only the most despicable young offenders go there and as such they largely get left alone. By contrast a youth offenders institute is incredibly violent. I have worked with people who have been through the legal system and they assure me that they would rather go to adult prison than "youthie".
By putting them in Red Bank they were kept from the "trophy hunters" that would most likely have gone after them in mainstream prison. On top of that it is a great insult to the family to detain them less than 30 minutes from where the incident occured.
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I'm in the same boat. I wanted to watch it but just couldn't bring my self to do it. I have four year old sons and the though of what James went through makes me feel sick.
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The guy that stole a car and killed Violet Grace had a string of previous offences. He then went on the run and fled the country until he was apprehended.
These people are hardened criminals, they have contingency plans for when they do something.
A former swimmer at my daughter's swimming club was stabbed to death as he was walking home from a family gathering. The killer has gone to ground and is still on the run since the crime last November. Merseyside is a strange place, there's a serious problem with the criminal underclass here and I'm certain that the only way to deal with it is to take these boys from their environment much earlier, as soon as they show signs that they might fall into this lifestyle.
Kids as young as 10 are carrying guns. I've worked on sites in the centre of Liverpool and had my tools stolen by children in broad daylight and just told to let them go because if I chase them and go for my tools I will get shot.
I've worked on sites where we have to wear orange vests rather than yellow because if you knock on the door to do customer care work the residents will think you are the police and frantically start flushing their drugs down the toilet.
I can't begin to think where we even need to start with these people but I do know that some of them have "crossed over" and have reached a point of no return.
These people are hardened criminals, they have contingency plans for when they do something.
A former swimmer at my daughter's swimming club was stabbed to death as he was walking home from a family gathering. The killer has gone to ground and is still on the run since the crime last November. Merseyside is a strange place, there's a serious problem with the criminal underclass here and I'm certain that the only way to deal with it is to take these boys from their environment much earlier, as soon as they show signs that they might fall into this lifestyle.
Kids as young as 10 are carrying guns. I've worked on sites in the centre of Liverpool and had my tools stolen by children in broad daylight and just told to let them go because if I chase them and go for my tools I will get shot.
I've worked on sites where we have to wear orange vests rather than yellow because if you knock on the door to do customer care work the residents will think you are the police and frantically start flushing their drugs down the toilet.
I can't begin to think where we even need to start with these people but I do know that some of them have "crossed over" and have reached a point of no return.
But justice isn't about revenge. It's about removing a threat to society. Firstly by segregation, then (if possible) by rehabilitation.
This is why we don't torture people in prison. Justice doesn't care about the agony the convict experiences. Justice cares about removing a threat. That's why we don't let the victims sit on the jury, or have the victims play the role of judge.
Death in this case ticks all the boxes. We're not a society of torturers, and our justice system should reflect that.
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You keep saying he’s not rehabilitated due to failures. Do you not think then that some people are so badly damaged that they are beyond rehabilitation?
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I'm with you on this. It's not about inflicting suffering, it is about a sentence that fits the crime. In the case of Jamie Bulger and a couple of other high profile crimes then the death penalty is the most appropriate sentence. It acknowledges that a most henous crime has been committed and that in those instances that no rehabilitation is possible.
I'm all for rehabilitation but rehabilitation should start before a crime of this magnitude has been committed. If a kid looks like they are falling out of society then they need to be dealth with. I think a lot more children would be getting removed from their homes though. I think we have to admit the ugly truth that there are some terrible terrible parents and it's for the best that they don't bring up children.
I don’t know, but I don’t think that means you stop trying, either by leaving them to rot or by killing them.
I don’t know, but I don’t think that means you stop trying, either by leaving them to rot or by killing them.
I should note that I'm not actually in favour of the death sentence in general.
Simply because the possibility of mis-carriages of justice make the whole thing untenable.
I was just saying that objecting to the death penalty on the grounds that the criminal doesn't suffer enough is not a great argument.
Simply because the possibility of mis-carriages of justice make the whole thing untenable.
I was just saying that objecting to the death penalty on the grounds that the criminal doesn't suffer enough is not a great argument.