January Transfer Window 2012/2013 Season Rumours/Signings

PSG say they arent signing anyone else but Lucas? Plus the high wage.. well.. we'd have to pay a high wage if we bought him last year anyway. Plus an extra 20 million on his transfer fee!

So are we saying that buying him would have been terrible business because he only had 1 good year left, or would paying his 150k wage to him now for a cut price transfer fee just be par for the course and we always were expecting more than a year from him anyway?

If we did get WS in Jan i think we would deinitelyt go on to win the league. But then signing an experienced combative midfielder would also put us in great stead. But we just leak more goals without.
 
Robbo said:
It'd have to be well under £150k I'd think. If I remember rightly, we know that SAF rates him so there's always a slight chance of a deal being done but I'd say it's more likely that PSG or someone will come in and snap him up. They've got money to burn and he would probably significantly improve their team.
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Yeah. I was thinking of £150k being our absolute upper limit. And yes SAF rates him so they might throw caution to the wind in signing Sneijder. Having RVP doesn't exactly hurt our chances. I just don't think that an expensive deal for Wes is in our interests considering where we play Kagawa and Rooney. PSG can easily afford Wes because of their money and they are trying to do a City/Chelsea and make themselves Kings of Europe.

What do you think about these ridiculous rumours about us giving Madrid De Gea and Nani for Ronaldo? :D

The Running Man said:
If we did get WS in Jan i think we would deinitelyt go on to win the league. But then signing an experienced combative midfielder would also put us in great stead. But we just leak more goals without.
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I think we can win the league without Wes but I do agree that if we added someone to the midfield of Wes' quality, and he performed for us, then I think City and Chelsea would find it extremely hard to catch us. Like you say, a combative midfielder might be better. We're not having problems scoring, it's conceding. Our defence might like having someone in front of them stopping, or at least slowing down attacks, to give them a chance of keeping more clean sheets.
 
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Robbo said:
That would be awesome but it's almost certainly not true. :(
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Wouldn't mind having Ronaldo back but not at the expense of losing De Gea. He's one for the future. I don't think Lindegaard is strong enough to be our permanent No 1 keeper. He'll be a good backup keeper for us, but will he want to stay with us on those terms?
 
MarcLister said:
Wouldn't mind having Ronaldo back but not at the expense of losing De Gea. He's one for the future. I don't think Lindegaard is strong enough to be our permanent No 1 keeper. He'll be a good backup keeper for us, but will he want to stay with us on those terms?
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I doubt it, assuming we keep De Gea (I think we will :p), Lindegaard will just get cup games and he won't like that.

For the record, I'd be prepared to lose a lot more than De Gea to get Ronaldo back!
 
Robbo said:
I doubt it, assuming we keep De Gea (I think we will :p), Lindegaard will just get cup games and he won't like that.
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Yeah, it won't happen. Not for a lot of money that we don't have. It's more likely that this is a ploy from Ronaldo and his advisors to get a massive pay hike from Madrid to match, if that's possible, what that Messi gets from Barca.

Robbo said:
For the record, I'd be prepared to lose a lot more than De Gea to get Ronaldo back!
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Nani AND Young? :p

dmcg said:
de gea is a must keep not matter if it is for ronaldo
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Totally agree. He's got a lot of talent. What would it say if we just sent him back to Spain to get Ronaldo back. I'm sure De Gea will end up playing in Spain before the end of his career but hopefully that's a decade away. :)
 
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dmcg said:
also if manu really wanted to sign ronaldo im sure nike would helped out the trasnfer fee
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Interesting theory. :p

There is the increase in TV rights that clubs will benefit from at the end of the season isn't there? I wonder how many clubs will go a bit more crazy transfer wise when that money comes in. ;)
 
MarcLister said:
There is the increase in TV rights that clubs will benefit from at the end of the season isn't there? I wonder how many clubs will go a bit more crazy transfer wise when that money comes in. ;)
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From what I understand that TV rights deal is shared out totally equally ( there havent been that many articles on it that I have seen yet).

£3bn for 3 years of which "only" £1bn goes to the clubs, and the rest goes to FA /Premier league etc. IF it is equally shared, thats £50m each over 3 years......not exactly a vast fortune for the larger clubs , paying for 1 (and a bit) top rate transfers.

The new Chevy & kit deal (which is rumoured to be sorted out this month for starting in the "15/16 season) which will produce a lot more money for Utd than the new TV deal (which will give Moyes some much needed spending money, as well as those much lower down the table)

If anyone knows any different from the above, please advise - as I would be very interested to see what others expect from this new tv deal.
 
FrankJH said:
From what I understand that TV rights deal is shared out totally equally ( there havent been that many articles on it that I have seen yet).

£3bn for 3 years of which "only" £1bn goes to the clubs, and the rest goes to FA /Premier league etc. IF it is equally shared, thats £50m each over 3 years......not exactly a vast fortune for the larger clubs , paying for 1 (and a bit) top rate transfers.

The new Chevy & kit deal (which is rumoured to be sorted out this month for starting in the "15/16 season) which will produce a lot more money for Utd than the new TV deal (which will give Moyes some much needed spending money, as well as those much lower down the table)

If anyone knows any different from the above, please advise - as I would be very interested to see what others expect from this new tv deal.
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Is that £50m on top of what clubs currently receive? As you say I know little on this deal, just that it's being mentioned in the press.

I thought the Chevrolet deal was done? So I guess the 15/16 deal you refer to is the new Nike deal? I haven't heard anything about any sums relating to the new deal. Is there anything on the net that rumours what kind of sums we're talking about?
 
It's not as straightforward as that as there are payments for the number of time you are on TV so it will obviously be worth more to the top clubs v bottom:

If that is the case, Manchester City’s like-for-like income for winning the title will jump ‘only’ £29.2m as a result of the new Sky and BT deals, from £60.6m in 2011-12 to £89.9m in 2013-14.
At the other end, the bottom club’s money will jump ‘only’ £14m, from Wolves’s £39m in 2011-12 to £53.3m in 2013-14.
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http://www.sportingintelligence.com...ng-where-the-money-goes-and-what-next-190601/

It is serious money though and it could easily fund one or two signings for each club.
 
FrankJH said:
From what I understand that TV rights deal is shared out totally equally ( there havent been that many articles on it that I have seen yet).

£3bn for 3 years of which "only" £1bn goes to the clubs, and the rest goes to FA /Premier league etc. IF it is equally shared, thats £50m each over 3 years......not exactly a vast fortune for the larger clubs , paying for 1 (and a bit) top rate transfers.
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What?

The total value of the new rights deal isn't known yet, just the UK rights. It's likely to be £5-6bn once the overseas rights are added on. The overseas rights are split equally and as shine says, the UK rights are distributed depending on your league position and the amount of times you're shown on tv.

Clubs will be earning well over £50m per year let alone over 3 years.
 
MarcLister said:
Is that £50m on top of what clubs currently receive? As you say I know little on this deal, just that it's being mentioned in the press.

I thought the Chevrolet deal was done? So I guess the 15/16 deal you refer to is the new Nike deal? I haven't heard anything about any sums relating to the new deal. Is there anything on the net that rumours what kind of sums we're talking about?
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Chevy deal doesnt kick in until 14/15 season though, so the club hasnt started getting the money from it -thats what I was meaning :)

Rumours are stating anything from £500m - £1bn for the same length of time (13 year) deal with Nike compared to the £330m~ for the present deal.....but its all complete speculation.

BaZ87 said:
What?

The total value of the new rights deal isn't known yet, just the UK rights. It's likely to be £5-6bn once the overseas rights are added on. The overseas rights are split equally and as shine says, the UK rights are distributed depending on your league position and the amount of times you're shown on tv.

Clubs will be earning well over £50m per year let alone over 3 years.
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Fair enough, the original article I read was mentioning 1bn being shared equally - this is apparantly wrong, fair enough.

Either way, its looks like from shine's link above (thank you) its around £30-£60m extra depending on where the club finishes (from '13 onwards) come that summer

edit - to be clear I did mean that figure per season, so it is a nice leap - theoretically allowing 1 extra major signing per season (cynically thinking transfer fees to massivly grow at the same time)
 
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FrankJH said:
Chevy deal doesnt kick in until 14/15 season though, so the club hasnt started getting the money from it -thats what I was meaning :)
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Yeah, I wasn't sure if you were talking about Nike deal or not. :)

FrankJH said:
Rumours are stating anything from £500m - £1bn for the same length of time (13 year) deal with Nike compared to the £330m~ for the present deal.....but its all complete speculation.
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Is it really 13 years since we signed with Nike?! :eek: So £330m for the current deal and £500m+ over the same period would be very nice. :cool:

FrankJH said:
Either way, its looks like from shine's link above (thank you) its around £30-£60m extra depending on where the club finishes (from '13 onwards) come that summer
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So Utd could, potentially, according to your £30-£60m extra, and Shine's link be looking at getting £90-£120m a year in TV rights? :D That'll make the Glazers' bank manager happy then.
 
When the UK rights were announced there was an article on bloomberg that stated that with every new tv deal the Premier League has signed, player wages have rose at the exact same rate.

I mentioned it before but Alan Sugar (when Spurs chairman) suggested that a proportion of tv money is held by the PL to stop clubs blowing it on wages & transfers and this money can only be used for things like new stadiums, training grounds etc.

This extra £40m, £50m, £60m or whatever it will be, is just going to end up going in players pockets.
 
MarcLister said:
Is it really 13 years since we signed with Nike?! :eek: So £330m for the current deal and £500m+ over the same period would be very nice. :cool:

So Utd could, potentially, according to your £30-£60m extra, and Shine's link be looking at getting £90-£120m a year in TV rights? :D That'll make the Glazers' bank manager happy then.
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just to be clear, its about 13 years since deal was signed - but we have 18 months left to go on the present deal. (frightening how time flies isnt it lol)

With the Chevy deal and whatever kit deal does get signed - the ~£350m Utd are currently in debt by doesnt seem so bad now does it (even without all the other marketing deals Utd do that add another £60m~/season to the coffers) :)

Yep thats what shine's link is saying ......if Utd stay in the top two of course when the new tv deals kick in lol

BaZ87 said:
I mentioned it before but Alan Sugar (when Spurs chairman) suggested that a proportion of tv money is held by the PL to stop clubs blowing it on wages & transfers and this money can only be used for things like new stadiums, training grounds etc.
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This proportion does appear to be quite vast - of the proposed/estimated £5-6bn (once foreign deals are concluded as well), quick guestimate seems to be that approx 50% of the total amount will be kept back for Stadia and the like and given to other "interested parties" like PFA etc etc etc
 
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