Japanese Grand Prix 2011, Suzuka Circuit - Race 15/19

Mr Men said:
Is he? I read him saying how he is in a bad place I am sure?
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He may be in a bad place, but he isn't changing his driving style. He is still having collisions. He was lucky he didnt get a drive through in the last race...it could've gone that way, on another day.

When a sportsman is in bad form, he should concentrate on doing the simple things right. Driving the way he did in Monza is probably the right way to driving in the remaining GPs. This way, he can pick up some good points. The last thing any driver would want is to finish the season off with collisions or DNFs. That does nothing for anybody's confidence. Perhaps if he had an advisor or a coach, it would help.
 
sunama said:
If you want, you are more than welcome posting some of these articles. This will steer the discussion away from "who is the best driver", which is where most threads end up after the race is over.

These threads usually go the way of "who is the best driver", because there is nothing else to talk about...the race is done and dusted.
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Have done in the past, particularly during the winter months when there are no race performances to discuss :p.

Will collect and post some stuff now.
 
Pirelli to discuss Q3 tyre-saving issue with FOTA in Korea

The Italian tyre manufacturer is unhappy that the spectacle of Q3 is being lessened by cars at the back end of the top ten choosing not to run so they can save tyres for the race.

In Japan, four cars failed to complete timed laps so they could start the race on fresh rubber - which led to criticism from Pirelli, team bosses and F1 fans.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95243


Ohh and Vettel did do a donut for the fans. :D



Lewis reflects on his race.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/10/10/lewis-hamilton-i’m-clearly-not-driving-as-well-as-he-is/


Indian grand prix seems to be shaping up nicely, here are the pits:

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In years gone by, the end of the season would've been upon us, round about now. It feels strange that in October we still have a few races left and that we shall still be in the end of November.

And of course, the inaugural race in India, set for late October.

I only wish the WDC hadn't been won so early.
 
Shimmy said:
Pirelli to discuss Q3 tyre-saving issue with FOTA in Korea
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Kudos to Pirelli in raising this, its something I said would happen a few races into this season as its pretty obvious how crucial tyres are, but doesn anyone wonder why its them having to raise this and not the FIA?

Ive seen a few times where its Pirelli asking the question but surely the sports governing body needs to be handling this? Does Todt actually do anything?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
Kudos to Pirelli in raising this, its something I said would happen a few races into this season as its pretty obvious how crucial tyres are, but doesn anyone wonder why its them having to raise this and not the FIA?

Ive seen a few times where its Pirelli asking the question but surely the sports governing body needs to be handling this? Does Todt actually do anything?

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I was discussing this at work today, seems to me the best solution is just to give everyone three sets of Quali-only tires, as it's the simplest way of getting round this problem.

We also reckoned it's about time they scrapped the "must use both compounds" rule. It was only created to force the drivers to pit in the days of tires that would last the race, but now you don't need rules for that to happen.
 
Oh, and if I've learnt anything since reading F1 threads in this forum, it's that:

a) Apparently people can actually care enough about individual drivers to be "fanboys" of them. Or at least, that's what the people arguing against them tell me.

b) If you don't have any evidence to back up your clearly right points, be a bit sarcastic and use a winking smiley.
 
sunama said:
He may be in a bad place, but he isn't changing his driving style. He is still having collisions. He was lucky he didnt get a drive through in the last race...it could've gone that way, on another day.
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I was amazed that he didn't take a penalty, with the safety car having had to come out as a direct result of him not looking in his mirrors (I don't buy his 'explanation' that they vibrate too much for him to see anything at all, you should still be able to spot a ******* great red blur when a Ferrari is tanking up alongside you!). We had marshals on-track, having to pick up bits of car, and quite a few laps under safety car conditions. And as the great prophet Waltrip once observed - "cautions breed cautions", i.e. bunching the field up behind the safety car and then turning them loose is quite likely to result in another collision. What he did on Sunday was far more penalty-worthy than the contretemps with Maldonado at Monaco, IMO.

Now, I realise that the above is going to be treated as Hamilton Bashing™ by several of you so I shall 'get while the going's good' and head to the pub for a well-earned drink after the weekend's work on the Project Bentley (:D).
 
Weebull said:
Oh, and if I've learnt anything since reading F1 threads in this forum, it's that:

a) Apparently people can actually care enough about individual drivers to be "fanboys" of them. Or at least, that's what the people arguing against them tell me.

b) If you don't have any evidence to back up your clearly right points, be a bit sarcastic and use a winking smiley.
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You have any proof to back that up? ;)
 
it would have been good to see how it would have ended if there wasn't a safety car.

button had to stop immediately after finishing the race. without those 4 or so laps following the SC saving fuel i wonder how button would have been in the last 5 laps. i think alonso would have won with vettel 2nd.

some good can come from hamilton and massa colliding :)
 
Weebull said:
Oh, and if I've learnt anything since reading F1 threads in this forum, it's that:

a) Apparently people can actually care enough about individual drivers to be "fanboys" of them. Or at least, that's what the people arguing against them tell me.

b) If you don't have any evidence to back up your clearly right points, be a bit sarcastic and use a winking smiley.
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You can always try Autosport or Planet F1 forums instead? Then you'll maybe appreciate this place a bit more...
 
I think the vibrating mirrors thing is rubbish too. He simply didn't look in them so didn't know Massa was there. Arguably, saying that would have been a better excuse than blaming the mirrors. Either way though, it was a nothing incident with no effect on either guys race, and we have seen loads of minor taps go completely un-noticed or talked about (a chunk of Williams wing was infront of me at the chicane at Spa this year, I doubt anyone could even remeber who it was). The only reason people are talking about this one is because it was Hamilton and Massa.

Pirelli tyres - glad to see Pirelli talking about it, but it is a bit annoying that its coming from them and not the FIA. Although, asking for more tyres doesn't really fit with the FIAs 'green' image they are trying to create, so I expect they have been reluctant to raise the issue. It was clear there was going to be issues before the season even started, when the tyres were lasting half as long, yet the teams were getting less per weekend.
 
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I predict Hamilton will finish the season strong, I could be wrong.

Have a private wager with a mate that he'll beat Button, which I also hope comes true :D
 
NathanE said:
You can always try Autosport or Planet F1 forums instead? Then you'll maybe appreciate this place a bit more...
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What, so I'm not allowed to point out anything that bugs me about these threads?

I'm not saying the bad outweighs the good, it was just a light-hearted comment on how these things always seem to turn out. Sorry I bothered you, I'll be sure to mention how it's all sunshine and roses next time.

CS||nuTs said:
You have any proof to back that up? ;)
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You betcha! I've got all the cherry-picked stats you could possibly dream of. ;)
 
JRS said:
I was amazed that he didn't take a penalty, with the safety car having had to come out as a direct result of him not looking in his mirrors (I don't buy his 'explanation' that they vibrate too much for him to see anything at all, you should still be able to spot a ******* great red blur when a Ferrari is tanking up alongside you!). We had marshals on-track, having to pick up bits of car, and quite a few laps under safety car conditions. And as the great prophet Waltrip once observed - "cautions breed cautions", i.e. bunching the field up behind the safety car and then turning them loose is quite likely to result in another collision. What he did on Sunday was far more penalty-worthy than the contretemps with Maldonado at Monaco, IMO.
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This seems like a very strange opinion to me. If I'm following your logic correctly, two moves that are exactly the same in every way could result in one going unpenalised and the other penalised if say the first incident resulted in a piece of debris that required a safety car to remove while the other results in a piece of debris that is thrown clear from the track during the collision and doesnt require a safety car?

Or say two identical moves resulting in a car needing to be removed from track side, but the first is in a position with no crane access so needs a safety car while the second has crane access so doesn't.

And part of the reason for this penalty is that whoever is leading during the safety car will bunch the pack up, which is dangerous.

Genuinely just trying to understand if that's what you mean, as that's how I read it and it seems a bit silly.
 
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