Japanese Grand Prix 2012, Suzuka - Race 15/20
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I'm going with
Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton
But it really is dependant on which car suits which track as all 3 can befast .
If every track from now favoured Mclaren, I'd say lh will win. So you have to sayiit's between vettel and alonso as no one knows who will be good and where
Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton
But it really is dependant on which car suits which track as all 3 can befast .
If every track from now favoured Mclaren, I'd say lh will win. So you have to sayiit's between vettel and alonso as no one knows who will be good and where
i think more of the tracks will suit mclaren but they are to far behind so its redbulls.
i dont see ferrari being able to go head to head with a drinks company with so many races left.
alonso lucked in when everyone else had reliability issues etc and now that luck is evening out , he no longer inherits the races from others misfortune
i dont see ferrari being able to go head to head with a drinks company with so many races left.
alonso lucked in when everyone else had reliability issues etc and now that luck is evening out , he no longer inherits the races from others misfortune
Well last year we won Korea, India and Brazil.So i guess we will have to wait and see.
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Yeah, but its Mclaren, its why he's leaving, if Ferrari have the best car, they win, if they have a close second, they can win. If Red Bull have the best car, they win, if they have a close second, they can win. If Mclaren have the best car, theres a huge chance they won't win, if they have the second best car, there isn't much chance.
At some point Mclaren needs a face lift, I'd love to see an aggregate time for pitstops, or average pitstop this year. How much money and time did they spend redoing all the pit stuff, doing worse pitstops, to finally get some good pitstops. Everyone else goes for a save 3-3.5 and occasionally does a 2.6 like today, Mclaren put so much effort into saving 2 tenths of a second.... but frequently screw it up and end up losing a hell of a lot more than that.
They did one really fast stop, and at least 2 stops with problems today, I'd be surprised if they didn't end up significantly slower across 2 stops than any other top team.
Likewise, even with a bad stop look where Hamilton ended up in relation to Kimi... firstly they ruined his tyre strategy/advantage to get him ahead, and another bad pits came within literally inches of throwing it away.
But how far back was he midway through that stint, going long got him that advantage, going longer than almost everyone else, then Mclaren randomly pee that advantage away. Look at Button gaining on Kobe, because he went longer, you ALWAYS try and not do a long stint, and Hamilton didn't have to. He was fast enough, he was gaining on the guys infront, he had plenty of life left in the tyres, its Mclaren getting it wrong again. Hamilton pitted noticeably after Button the first time yet without doing anything bad on the track, ended up pitting what 5 laps earlier maybe, despite being in 3-4 lap fresher tyres. Hamilton + softs + 12-13 lap super stint at the end could have ended up incredible... or rubbish. It was certainly worth a try. The Mclaren seemed to be gaining strength on lowering fuel while the Lotus was going the other way.
Hamilton's going because he just doesn't trust that Mclaren can take advantage when the car is the best, and can't minimise the damage when the car is the worst.
Basically even with Hamilton on the same points or close enough to Alonso, I just don't think they'd do it.
Red Bull are leading the FIA Constructors Championship , bet i know which one Whitmarsh would rather be leading
I thought they were more concerned with Rons '1 in 4' stat, and were deliberately giving Lewis a slow car to stop him taking the number 1 to Mercedes? 
While you are here Sparky, were you running the DDRS thing at Singapore? I find it a bit odd that everyone seems to have spotted some minor flexing in front wings, yet seems to have completely missed the whole device on the back? Then again, it was dark
While you are here Sparky, were you running the DDRS thing at Singapore? I find it a bit odd that everyone seems to have spotted some minor flexing in front wings, yet seems to have completely missed the whole device on the back? Then again, it was dark
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Soldato
“@LewisHamilton: Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't.”
Wow, handbags!
Wow, handbags!
Dont think many team mates are the best of friends anyway to be fair. Well renowned saying "the 1st person you have to beat is your team mate" Seb and Mark are no different.
If I was JB, I'd do that. Lewis clearly reacts badly to minor things like this, maybe Jenson is hoping it will throw him off his game and make him start crashing into Massa again?
Lewis really is going to be an insufferable child next year in a mediocre Mercedes, isn't he?
I wonder if he will retweet my reply?
Lewis really is going to be an insufferable child next year in a mediocre Mercedes, isn't he?
I wonder if he will retweet my reply?
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If I was JB, I'd do that. Lewis clearly reacts badly to minor things like this, maybe Jenson is hoping it will throw him off his game and make him start crashing into Massa again?
Lewis really is going to be an insufferable child next year in a mediocre Mercedes, isn't he?
I wouldnt be so sure, i personally think he will wring the neck out of whatever car they give him. So wish we had signed him when he was trying to get in with us.
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He got caught napping, how on Earth do you come to the conclusion that he got out of Sergio's way?
The ramifications of his embarrassment showed later on when he moved into the middle of the track and hit the apex properly.
What ramifications, when Perez passed Hamilton went wider than I saw anyone go at any stage in the race(well except Perez the second time
), he went wide BEFORE Perez banged it up the inside, Perez wasn't that close, Hamilton jumped completely out of the way.Here's a hint, multiple drivers for the last 3 years more and more as tyres have been more of a problem, find that driving defensively takes more out of the tyres than just letting someone way faster get past, ruin his tyres and end up behind you.
What happened? Perez went past ridiculously easily while Hamilton took a line he never takes, Perez sped off into the distance, burned his tyres way quicker than Hamilton and ended up behind Hamilton... who saved his tyres.
I'm thinking of the likes of following Schumi for ages, in Canada, or Spa, god knows, and the mere act of both following someone and the guy infront driving defensively, pushing harder in and out of corners, and Button who was just cruising ended up on the back of them as they wore their tyres out quicker than anyone else.
Fighting someone on a completely different pace is generally a bad idea this year.
Consistency, what, Red Bull and Mclaren are more frequently faster than Ferrari, but when they aren't they are far enough down the grid that it brings the average down massively.
It basically changes by the race, and by the strategy and by the everything. However I've been saying that Ferrari, Mclaren and Red Bull, and I've been saying it for 7-8 races, are way closer, and those who say Ferrari is clearly the third fastest car are wrong.
Also in almost every single race Ferrari are massively closer on race day than on quali day, be it Mclaren or Red Bull ahead of them. This has been the same all year, and yes, being the best car on Sunday, even easily, but starting 5 places down makes winning very hard. The best car overall is one that mixers qualifying AND race day to win as many races as possible. Red Bull do the best mix, often very good in qualifying but rarely poor in the race by comparison. Mclaren have been poor in a race after being on pole multiple times, Ferrari have been consistently terrible in qualifying, while race pace they've been one of the best. If they could stick that car on pole Alonso would have a freaking gigantic lead in the title, but they can't.
There is no covering bases, thats just the way it is. every single race this will change based on who does well. Those who claimed the Mclaren was easily the best car this year and probably will be till the end of the season and can definitely win every race to the end of the year without mistakes..... got taught a lesson this week.
God I hope so, but I'm not sure. He qualified 9th and had an average race and acted like someone had stolen his sweets and hed been sent to bed early. What's he going to be like when he's doing that every race?
He's got some serious skill, I just wish he didn't act like such a spoilt brat. Maybe being in a team that doesn't have it all will beat that out of him.
I wish he'd signed for Red Bull too.
Anyone spot Lewis Hamilton's comments on twitter a short while ago?
@LewisHamilton: Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't.
@LewisHamilton: Funny thing is, we are STILL teammates! All good tho, I plan on giving this team & fans all I got til I cross the finish line in brazil!!!
Think it's snowballing quite quickly as its starting to trend. The media are going to have a field day!
Funny thing is, apparently Jenson never followed him, so Lewis is looking a bit silly.
@LewisHamilton: Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't.
@LewisHamilton: Funny thing is, we are STILL teammates! All good tho, I plan on giving this team & fans all I got til I cross the finish line in brazil!!!
Think it's snowballing quite quickly as its starting to trend. The media are going to have a field day!
Funny thing is, apparently Jenson never followed him, so Lewis is looking a bit silly.