Japanese Grand Prix 2012, Suzuka - Race 15/20

why do people keep saying whatever vettel had in reserve or he was cruising?

he was setting fastest lap after fastest lap and the team sounded a tad concerned he was pushing to hard on multiple radio messages.

i doubt there was much in reserve at all if anything.

anyway we have seen people dominate one race and be 8th place the next, seeing as suzuka likes a car with high downforce i dont expect rbr to be running away with every other race.

brazil they will probably dominate though
 
arknor said:
why do people keep saying whatever vettel had in reserve or he was cruising?

he was setting fastest lap after fastest lap and the team sounded a tad concerned he was pushing to hard on multiple radio messages.

i doubt there was much in reserve at all if anything.

anyway we have seen people dominate one race and be 8th place the next, seeing as suzuka likes a car with high downforce i dont expect rbr to be running away with every other race.

brazil they will probably dominate though
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He gets told the same thing every race when he is in the lead. He likes the records as much as the wins. IIRC he was 2 seconds faster than Massa in a single segment.
 
Looks like it'll be Guiterrez-Bianchi at Sauber next year. From what Monisha Kaltenborn said in the Sky interview, Kobayashi hasn't done enough to keep his seat.
 
arknor said:
why do people keep saying whatever vettel had in reserve or he was cruising?

he was setting fastest lap after fastest lap and the team sounded a tad concerned he was pushing to hard on multiple radio messages.

i doubt there was much in reserve at all if anything.

anyway we have seen people dominate one race and be 8th place the next, seeing as suzuka likes a car with high downforce i dont expect rbr to be running away with every other race.

brazil they will probably dominate though
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Race starts with full fuel... if you push at 80% every single lap in the race, you'll get a fastest lap every single lap of the race... thats how it works?

Fastest lap doesn't mean either going the fastest you can go, nor does repeated fastest laps mean you're pushing. Everyone still on track would be doing somewhere not far off their fastest laps near the end of the race, except those on very long stints, even they'll be often surprisingly fast(just seem slower than the rest).

As to why he's cruising, running around at max capacity taking life out of the tyres when a safety car can come and ruin your race any second is simply a bad idea. push hard, get a 40 second lead, safety car and the guy behind has the tyres on you for a sprint at the end, not pretty. Beyond a comfortable gap there just isn't any point going faster, at all. The fact that he could at will, if anyone on newer tyres came out and did a faster lap, just turn it on and beat it easily suggests how much he was cruising.

He's not the only one, but its seemed to be the case that when the Red Bull is good... its been exceptional. Valencia, today, when Red Bull hook it together they streak off into the distance as if no one else is taking part.

Does make you wonder if Mclaren put on a less flexible wing to pass the tests, but Red Bull maybe have a wing that was still capable of passing the improved test and that is one of the reasons for such a massive gap in performance between them.
 
As a Hamilton fan that race couldn't have gone much better considering how poorly the car was running in quali. Alonso's DNF makes Hamilton's championship hunt a little less daunting and the only driver ahead of Hamilton to score major points who was ahead of him in the championship was Vettel.
 
Duke said:
Looks like Red Bull did sneak on the DDRS - http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/878/1012.html (as shown in Ted's video as well).

Don't think Mclaren or Ferrari have this yet?
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Red Bull DDRS

Newey doing what he does best, making it work.

I have no idea if their pace was genuine or a case of being fast at Suzuka (they've always gone well here). Next week in Korea we should get a better picture of where we stand with Red Bull suddenly being faster than all other frontrunners.

DDRS should certainly help with the long straights in Korea though!
 
Race starts with full fuel... if you push at 80% every single lap in the race, you'll get a fastest lap every single lap of the race... thats how it works?
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i meant at the end :rolleyes:

and thats not how it works because your tyres would be dead in 5minutes he was obviously managing his tyres just like everyone else until near the end but that doesnt mean he could have pushed like a bat out of hell for the whole race without needing extra pitstops
 
Was an alright Grand Prix. Shame about Alonso really, considering Massa pulled it off...

Quite pleased for Kobayashi.

Was amused by Perez stuffing it...

I genuinely feel it's a travesty if they Grosjean gets a drive next year... Same for Maldonado, but suspect he'll get that one too...

Thinking its going to be

Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

For driver championship.

Really would prefer for it to be Alonso first Vettel second though. I just feel Alonso deserves a third WDC much more than Vettel. Especially considering the failings of Ferrari this year...

kd
 
sr4470 said:
Looks like it'll be Guiterrez-Bianchi at Sauber next year. From what Monisha Kaltenborn said in the Sky interview, Kobayashi hasn't done enough to keep his seat.
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I did think, while it was great for both Massa and Kamui, that it might be too little too late for the both of them.

I wonder where Heikki could end up if Sauber is full? I also had Massa going there if Ferrari drop him.
 
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The failings of Ferrari? They have had one of, if not the most reliable package for 90% of the season. If anyone has has major failings it is McLaren so Lewis should win it and yes i am a Hamilton fan!
 
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