Caporegime
"[A]nd cannot be resumed". What a daft way to draft the rules.
Poll: Japanese Grand Prix 2022, Suzuka Circuit - Race 18
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"[A]nd cannot be resumed". What a daft way to draft the rules.
So have the FIA got it right and all the armchair Marshall’s/race directors got it wrong?
Soldato
Can we talk about the real story of the race.
That a Mercedes couldn't overtake an Alpine.
I can almost vision Toto at home shaking his head
That a Mercedes couldn't overtake an Alpine.
I can almost vision Toto at home shaking his head
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Man of Honour
Shocker as team that has struggled with straight line pace all season struggles with straight line paceCan we talk about the real story of the race.
That a Mercedes couldn't overtake an Alpine.
I can almost vision Toto at home shaking his head
that was pretty bad, they said the alpine was second fastest through the speed trap which kinda explains it!Can we talk about the real story of the race.
That a Mercedes couldn't overtake an Alpine.
I can almost vision Toto at home shaking his head
Agreed tbh, I was pretty surprised the SC went in as quick as it did, didn't seem any wetter than earlier
Soldato
Ferrari could have been an awful lot closer to Max without the strategy blunders and the odd reliability issue this season, for now there's a glimmer of hope the battle could be closer next year.
Caporegime
Well, yes and also no. The FIA drafted one of the most stupid technicalities I've ever seen into the rule but they applied their idiocy correctly.
Caporegime
Yes. And you'd get more points that if they ran 74% of the race laps then had to red flag and couldn't resume in time.
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Got it. Totally makes sense. 100%. Well done FIA
I don't see why they removed the "laps run" percentage - seems silly.
I mean what happens in a situation where they delay and delay that start of the race, I assume that the "3 hour" window doesn't start at that point?
Could easily end up with a very very short race and full points would get awarded where it gets too dark for example?
I mean what happens in a situation where they delay and delay that start of the race, I assume that the "3 hour" window doesn't start at that point?
Could easily end up with a very very short race and full points would get awarded where it gets too dark for example?
Soldato
I didn't get up for this but starting watching it from the start when I woke up. Since I skipped the delay it seems I almost caught up to live. Quite a few things stand out. Firstly what is the point of the wet weather tyres? FIA might as well just come out and say they aren't to be used for racing, only to clear water behind a safety car. That would go some way to reducing the ridiculousness of having a SC due to rain but everyone immediately pitting for inters.
I don't really understand what happened to wet weather racing. These used to be some of the best races in F1. Now Crofty and the rest keep going on about the spray, but it's no worse than in the days of Murray Walker commentating, in fact it's even better now as there are flashing rain lights, so no more Schumacher - Coulthard incidents.
Thirdly, I think I prefer a timed race rather than a set amount of laps. I'd be happy if they 105min at all tracks. That means longer on the faster circuits, and a little shorter on the slower ones. Speaking of timers. What's with the 3 hour timer? I remember when it used to be they had 5 hours or something like that. Japanese GP used to be on at 4 in the morning in the UK. F1 need to go back to early afternoon starts in the host country.
As for the race, Max was in a class of his own. There was some interesting racing throughout the field. One thing I didn't get well before 15mins left to go, it was clear stopping would see you 3-6s faster a lap. Yet no-one did. Crofty kept banging on about track position but with that delta, it's neither here nor there, as we eventually saw with Alonso. Which brings me to the TV director. Why did we spend so long watching Lewis vs Ocon, and then Perez and LeClerc, even when it was clear they weren't going to pass without a mistake, when Alonso was steaming through against Noris, Russell, Latifi, and photo finish with Vettel.
Didn't they also restart Spa last year? So that should have been full points? IIRC which I may not, wasn't it a SC start. A red flag, then another SC start before declaring it finished.
I don't really understand what happened to wet weather racing. These used to be some of the best races in F1. Now Crofty and the rest keep going on about the spray, but it's no worse than in the days of Murray Walker commentating, in fact it's even better now as there are flashing rain lights, so no more Schumacher - Coulthard incidents.
Thirdly, I think I prefer a timed race rather than a set amount of laps. I'd be happy if they 105min at all tracks. That means longer on the faster circuits, and a little shorter on the slower ones. Speaking of timers. What's with the 3 hour timer? I remember when it used to be they had 5 hours or something like that. Japanese GP used to be on at 4 in the morning in the UK. F1 need to go back to early afternoon starts in the host country.
As for the race, Max was in a class of his own. There was some interesting racing throughout the field. One thing I didn't get well before 15mins left to go, it was clear stopping would see you 3-6s faster a lap. Yet no-one did. Crofty kept banging on about track position but with that delta, it's neither here nor there, as we eventually saw with Alonso. Which brings me to the TV director. Why did we spend so long watching Lewis vs Ocon, and then Perez and LeClerc, even when it was clear they weren't going to pass without a mistake, when Alonso was steaming through against Noris, Russell, Latifi, and photo finish with Vettel.
Didn't they also restart Spa last year? So that should have been full points? IIRC which I may not, wasn't it a SC start. A red flag, then another SC start before declaring it finished.
Caporegime
They didn't, it's just locked behind a stupid rule. Like, seriously how hard is to write "if, for any reason, it is not possible to run the full scheduled race distance or race time..."?
The three hours runs from the start time as determined by the start procedure not the actual start time. So if the whole start procedure is delayed it moves back but if only the start isn't then it isn't.
Yeah.
Soldato
Last year is irrelevant. It was because of Spa 21 that they completely overhauled the rules to account for bad weather.
Rules that up until today nobody including the teams seemed to have read/understood.
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Caporegime
No, because in Spa they suspended it after restarting it and then didn't restart it after suspending it.
Soldato
So then as I said, I didn't remember correctly.
Given Max was going to easily win the WDC anyway, I'm not sure why there is a fuss.
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Caporegime
20s (drive through) penalty applied to Gasly for driving too fast under the red flag. Right penalty, in my opinion, but the more serious breach by Race Control to allow the flat bed on track under dangerous circumstances needs investigating.
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