Japan's 'hottest pin-up' only 12 yrs old.

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Its out of order, my sister is 12 and there is no way she is ready and it isn't just a big brother talking, she isn't interested in boys.

If she was ready she should be allowed to interact with males of her own age and not have pervy old men trying it on, its unacceptable no matter what culture you come from she would be too easily influenced and that isn't fair on her at all, how do you think she would feel?

to all trying to argue the point of it being different cultures having different values, can you say the same of middle eastern culture of stoning someone to death because they fell in love with someone their parents didn't approve of?

or the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia, in particular the thread that was in SC with the woman that was raped.

Just because its someones culture doesn't mean its right.
 
Vasquez said:
Its out of order, my sister is 12 and there is no way she is ready and it isn't just a big brother talking, she isn't interested in boys.

If she was ready she should be allowed to interact with males of her own age and not have pervy old men trying it on, its unacceptable no matter what culture you come from she would be too easily influenced and that isn't fair on her at all, how do you think she would feel?

to all trying to argue the point of it being different cultures having different values, can you say the same of middle eastern culture of stoning someone to death because they fell in love with someone their parents didn't approve of?

or the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia, in particular the thread that was in SC with the woman that was raped.

Just because its someones culture doesn't mean its right.
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how is 12 yr old girl consenting to sex the same as stoning someone?
 
While on one hand I think yes we can't apply our cultural standards to anothers, take the moral high ground and pass judgement.

Yet on the other, I believe there is a point at which an absolute can be decided, no matter the culture, a certain practice is wrong. For example would you use the same cultural differenes argument if it was a certain cultures way of life to perform unconsensual sex with woman? Just like there is an absolute point at which young females or males should not be engaging in sexual practises, question is is 12 below that point.
 
No, you're using it as a comparison to something that is "backward", implying that it is backward.

You only believe that because you were brought up with this Christian Western philosophy that sex is EVIL and corrupts/pollutes people's minds. Well, guess what - despite all that crap, England is no.1 for pregnant teenagers as young as 12-13, whereas pervy japan doesn't have a problem of this nature. They might look at girls on posters, but our daughters are *actually* getting pregnant. I don't give a flying monkeys whether it was a 12 yr old male or 40 yr old male, pregnant is pregnant, sex is sex. You might consider it disturbing, our culture might consider it morally repugnant, but biology doesn't give a crap about what you think.

And no, we don't have to accept it - because if you read the original post, it happens in japan, not over here, so you don't have any say in the matter. Good job really, because all that the west has managed to produce in terms of culture recently is Pop music, fast food and Celebrity hero worship.
 
Dolph said:
It's not even porn, unless an adult in a bikini is also porn...
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That might or might not be porn, depending on the circumstances.

I'd be wary of even looking at the pictures even in the context of this thread. From the descriptions, it sounds like they are illegal in the UK. If so, then looking at them would make you guilty of making child porn (a copy is placed in the cache on your hard drive - you have made it). Probably the least serious grade of child porn in UK law, but that hardly matters.
 
Any Age of Consent is going to be an arbitary line.

I think we can all agree that sex without consent is really bad. So the question becomes at what age does a person actually know enough to give informed consent? The problem of course is that question will differ considerably dependant on a huge number of factors. I have no doubt that some 12 year olds today know a lot more about sex than I did when I was 18.

However you can't draft a law on such a fuzzy thing as "knows enough to give informed consent" and so a line is drawn in the sand. Before that, they can't, after that, they can. Laws can deal with such absolutes much easier. What that does however mean is that sometimes someone can give informed consent but is still not legally allowed to have sex and additionally someone may be old enough to have sex but not really mature enough to give informed consent.

So across the world we have a whole range of what people consider is the appropriate age. All of them wrong and probably right at the same time.
 
D.P. said:
The Inuit leave their elderly to die in the cold and snow if it is deemed that they are no longer of any value to the survival of the community.
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Off-topic, but I think it's worth pointing out that that was very far from being the norm and it doesn't happen at all now (you used the present tense, not the past). In the past, it sometimes happened during times of severe famine, and even then it might have been suicide rather than murder. It also happened sometimes amongst other Eskimo peoples, so why single out the Inuit?
 
RDM said:
Any Age of Consent is going to be an arbitary line.

I think we can all agree that sex without consent is really bad. So the question becomes at what age does a person actually know enough to give informed consent? The problem of course is that question will differ considerably dependant on a huge number of factors. I have no doubt that some 12 year olds today know a lot more about sex than I did when I was 18.

However you can't draft a law on such a fuzzy thing as "knows enough to give informed consent" and so a line is drawn in the sand. Before that, they can't, after that, they can. Laws can deal with such absolutes much easier. What that does however mean is that sometimes someone can give informed consent but is still not legally allowed to have sex and additionally someone may be old enough to have sex but not really mature enough to give informed consent.

So across the world we have a whole range of what people consider is the appropriate age. All of them wrong and probably right at the same time.
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Which is why courts should be able to rule flexibly in cases where it is appropriate to do so, something that is not permitted at the moment, even in the case of the sex being fully consentual and the man being lied to about the girls age.
 
Originally Posted by Balddog
Good point..

but kids can learn not to put their hand in a fire, they can also learn not to have sex without protection...
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rookie said:
Learn!! :confused:
so we should let them all get aids and children then say "that'll teach you, won't it"
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Would you teach a child not to put their hand in a fire by putting their hand in a fire and saying "That'll teach you, won't it?"
 
Angilion said:
That might or might not be porn, depending on the circumstances.

I'd be wary of even looking at the pictures even in the context of this thread. From the descriptions, it sounds like they are illegal in the UK. If so, then looking at them would make you guilty of making child porn (a copy is placed in the cache on your hard drive - you have made it). Probably the least serious grade of child porn in UK law, but that hardly matters.
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You realize that at worst its her in a bikini, so you'd be guilty of child porn by your definition if you've ever been to a beach or swimming pool where there are children in your life.
 
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