The fact games dont HDD install is a massive bonus for the 360. The ps3 has gone down a horrid dark path with hdd installing and unlimited size patching.
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The fact games dont HDD install is a massive bonus for the 360. The ps3 has gone down a horrid dark path with hdd installing and unlimited size patching.
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not really, there is a lot of games than even the 360 would have benifited using a HDD install speeding up loading. One of the reasons why i liked the custom dashboards hacks on the old xbox1 where you then could install a bigger HDD and install the whole game to the HDD which in turn speeded up loading times and the like. So no i don't see a massive bonus.
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Yes but its quiet, and there's plenty of patches for 360 games, plus DLC, why not just install the game too?
There are advantage's and disadvantage's to HDD installing, tell insomniac that they cant use the extra 200mb of vram for textures in resistance 2 that the HDD in every ps3 allows them and they may take issue with you about HDD installs being a bad thing.
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installing isnt a problem. 1 console does it, the other doesn't.
And I'd much rather install and see a benefit on either console. Imagine the improvement over the games we already think are awesome on 360, If we swapped out the read speed of a dvd drive for a hard drive.
With just a 5/10 min sacrifice for the install I don't think it's that terrible as long as it improves the game we are dying to play
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Few multiplatform titles really utilize the installation aspect and its about more then just load times, naughty dog used it to almost eliminate load times and insomniac are using it to essentially increase available ram.
Multi titles mainly used installing to make up to a degree for the ps3s less ram but that is no longer a issue.
Multi titles mainly used installing to make up to a degree for the ps3s less ram but that is no longer a issue.
Sorry the PS3 isn't "silent".
And if I'm fragging with the sound up who cares
Do you play PGR4 with the sound muted?
But that's exactly it for me. It's a games console, not a PC. I want to be able to take the game out of the case and put it in and play as soon as I get it. Sure its not a problem for some. But it's a reason I choose console gaming over PC gaming.
I don't want to faff about with installs and memory management either.
I dont see anything wrong with installs if they improve performance. What is 7 minutes in the grand scheme of things. Also the memory management doesn't mean much and would have to be done anyway due to the extra media capabilities provided (granted, streaming media reduces this).
This generation of consoles has become increasingly similar to a PC and I can see the next generation being even more so. Thus installs are a natural progression.
This generation of consoles has become increasingly similar to a PC and I can see the next generation being even more so. Thus installs are a natural progression.
This generation or just the PS3? Because I can't see how the Wii and 360 are similar to a PC. Installs are not a natural progression, they are needed to improve performance. If DVD read speeds were faster and more ram is included there would be no need for installs. It's used to overcome a bottle neck. If that doesn't exist then there are no need for installs as it would just be taking up extra space which companies would prefer you used for media, or prefer to give you less of to lower the costs.
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DVD read speeds will never be as good as hard drive. So if you want games to have max performance, then surely it's always gonna be better to cut an optical drive out. of any kind.
a lot of talk was going on about next generation games being completely installed to hard drive, Although I pray that never happens.
a lot of talk was going on about next generation games being completely installed to hard drive, Although I pray that never happens.
Yeah but what if there was another format. I dunno say we go to a cartridge like device. Where it plugs into the console. Like solid state ram.
lol I know it wouldn't be cost effective but I'm just trying to say what if we could abolish mechanical devices but somehow still have the benefit of a physical medium which has the game on it.
The Wii has an internet browser, online gaming, downloadable content.
The 360 has online gaming, downloadable content, media streaming and playing capabilities a hard drive (on most)
There's probably more but I can't think at the minute but they are all things that have been available on the PC for ages. They are also new on consoles (the dreamcast and xbox pioneered online gaming but it has become mainstream this time around).
The PS3 is the most accomplished at the additional features that I have mentioned above but the other two aren't close behind. (Before anyone starts I'm not saying that PSN is beter than Live!)
I suppose it's just how I see it, consoles are becoming increasingly similar to PC's and with this will come game installs.
Fair point but DVD speeds will never match a harddrive speed and therefore installs are the option to overcome the bottleneck. Also when you stop playing the game regularly you can delete the install if you need the space. It's only a few minutes to install again.
The 360 has online gaming, downloadable content, media streaming and playing capabilities a hard drive (on most)
There's probably more but I can't think at the minute but they are all things that have been available on the PC for ages. They are also new on consoles (the dreamcast and xbox pioneered online gaming but it has become mainstream this time around).
The PS3 is the most accomplished at the additional features that I have mentioned above but the other two aren't close behind. (Before anyone starts I'm not saying that PSN is beter than Live!)
I suppose it's just how I see it, consoles are becoming increasingly similar to PC's and with this will come game installs.
Fair point but DVD speeds will never match a harddrive speed and therefore installs are the option to overcome the bottleneck. Also when you stop playing the game regularly you can delete the install if you need the space. It's only a few minutes to install again.
This is fantastic news, a smaller manufacturing process lowers costs which is only ever a good thing. If microsoft continue to lower the price of their console it's going to get to the point where i'll have no excuse not to buy one.
[EDIT] as a side note, the post that mentions HDD installs only existing to overcome a bottleneck. While it's true that the HDD installs are used to overcome the slow blu-ray, this isn't the ONLY reason it's done. HDD read speeds are much greater than DVD read speeds, in the next generation i'm willing to bet that all the consoles implement HDD installations as it is the most feasible way to load large amounts of data quickly.
[EDIT] as a side note, the post that mentions HDD installs only existing to overcome a bottleneck. While it's true that the HDD installs are used to overcome the slow blu-ray, this isn't the ONLY reason it's done. HDD read speeds are much greater than DVD read speeds, in the next generation i'm willing to bet that all the consoles implement HDD installations as it is the most feasible way to load large amounts of data quickly.
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That what I'm thinking. Wait until christmas and see if the new revision is more quiet and more reliable. Then buy all the games I have missed for less money.
I understand when you talk about the features close to the PC. Things like Web Browser and media streaming, while they are good features I don't feel they are a part of gaming. I suppose that is why I favour the 360, because it appeals to me more as a console than anything else.
Downloadable content though, I wouldn't say the PC gave birth to that. Sure you could get patches and mods etc. But I didn't see much coming from the actual developers. I think with extra maps on the Xbox, it was what showed that developers could add to the game after it. Which was done on the PC in the form of expansion packs but they were normally sold in shops.
When it comes to installing on the hdd. I have no problem with it if its optional. I would most likely use it then. But if when Halo 3 was launched (hype) and I bought it, put it in my 360 and saw a installing screen "could take 7 minutes" I can imagine my face would drop.
As for the next generation being all downloads or hdd based games. I dunno. I don't think I would like that. I can't sell games which are stored on a hdd. I can borrow mates games. I know we see this with Steam, but with Steam I only buy the games I know I will keep forever. In fact I only own the DVD version of HL2.
Downloadable content though, I wouldn't say the PC gave birth to that. Sure you could get patches and mods etc. But I didn't see much coming from the actual developers. I think with extra maps on the Xbox, it was what showed that developers could add to the game after it. Which was done on the PC in the form of expansion packs but they were normally sold in shops.
When it comes to installing on the hdd. I have no problem with it if its optional. I would most likely use it then. But if when Halo 3 was launched (hype) and I bought it, put it in my 360 and saw a installing screen "could take 7 minutes" I can imagine my face would drop.
As for the next generation being all downloads or hdd based games. I dunno. I don't think I would like that. I can't sell games which are stored on a hdd. I can borrow mates games. I know we see this with Steam, but with Steam I only buy the games I know I will keep forever. In fact I only own the DVD version of HL2.
I doubt that games will be solely HDD based, as the fastest method of data access is to use both the HDD and the disk drive to stream data at the same time. This is demonstrated in NGS where you have an optional install, if you use that then both the disk drive and harddrive are active at the same time and it greatly reduces load time.