Jimmy Savile - Sexual Predator

Craterloads said:
Well its not just about having relations with under 16 year olds. :confused:

He has apparently raped and molested people, by force, intimidation or other vile means. He's being accused have molesting people while they have been unconscious after brain surgery and also for molesting corpses.
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True. I'm certainly not defending him as seems that the other parties were far from consenting, but I am worried about the Pandoras box this will open.
 
mmj_uk said:
Indeed, it seems more than coincidental that this has been kept so well hidden for so many decades but then soon after he dies it explodes into the public domain.

Given the number of victims coming out of the woodwork why didn't any of them go the police before? and if they did why did nothing come of it?
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Fear is probably the main thing, if they came out when he was alive they would have to face the accused in court. 1 person comes out and says what as gone on has had the chain effect causing more people to come out strength in numbers. People have realised they are not alone.

FlamBango said:
ok so whats the point of it all. If the enquiry finds that he was a child fiddler whats going to happen? open his coffin up and thrash his bones? I guess theres a fat cheque in it for the victims and any other opportunistic gold digger who can argue a good case.
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It would give the victims peace of mind knowing that people know what type of person he really was.
 
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I have to say this whole thing has confused me. If its true, and the scale is accurate, at the very least it doesn't sound great.

However, the guy is dead now, other than his memory they can't really go after him all that much. He can't be found guilty in his absence can he... and even if he can... what could they do? nothing I'd guess.

He raised a hell of a lot of cash for charity, and to be honest, my concern is all that good could be undone by people being silly and going after the charities for damages.

I dont doubt its disgusting if he did do some of the things suggested (such as the brain damaged victim) but other than those still alive who may have participated... what really can be done other than the victims feel some bizarre senstation of 'justice' smearing his memory which he can't defend...
 
Charitable people aren't going to stop being charitable because some random man was a paedo.

If I was molested I'd doubt I'd just sit on it because my attacker was dead.
 
Nitefly said:
Charitable people aren't going to stop being charitable because some random man was a paedo.

If I was molested I'd doubt I'd just sit on it because my attacker was dead.
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Equally, I'd doubt you would sit on it until he died.

I don't doubt he would be a big figure to take on, but the fact no convictions happened during his life ....? Didn't he have charges dropped several times ?
 
Whole thing just seems so bizarre.

I think more important than Saville is what role those who *are* still around played in anything that may have happened.
 
Conanius said:
I have to say this whole thing has confused me. If its true, and the scale is accurate, at the very least it doesn't sound great.

However, the guy is dead now, other than his memory they can't really go after him all that much. He can't be found guilty in his absence can he... and even if he can... what could they do? nothing I'd guess.

He raised a hell of a lot of cash for charity, and to be honest, my concern is all that good could be undone by people being silly and going after the charities for damages.

I dont doubt its disgusting if he did do some of the things suggested (such as the brain damaged victim) but other than those still alive who may have participated... what really can be done other than the victims feel some bizarre senstation of 'justice' smearing his memory which he can't defend...
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If some of the reports are true, girls who turned to people and said "he is raping me" and have them turn round and say "we don't believe you" or "stop complaining, he is giving money to our schools" by their teacher who was supposed to be protecting them.

We can learn from this and try and fight back against our rape culture, and that includes educating rape apologists like you who try and some way excuse a pedophile rapist and our culture allowing it to happen.
 
Conanius said:
I have to say this whole thing has confused me. If its true, and the scale is accurate, at the very least it doesn't sound great.

However, the guy is dead now, other than his memory they can't really go after him all that much. He can't be found guilty in his absence can he... and even if he can... what could they do? nothing I'd guess.
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Yeah if the scale is accurate and he forcefully molested kids including a brain damaged one then that 'doesn't sound great'. Epic understatement. If it is true then the fact it took his death to bring this to light shows the power he had over these kids and questions just how many people live with this reality. What could his (possible) victims do? Get some kind of closure hopefully.
 
I find the whole thing bizarre, Susan Boyle has now come out and stated publically that since she has known Sir Jimmy he has never once tried it on with her.
 
Theophany said:
What?
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Dont stress it. Hurfdurf is very fanatical about this kind of thing and if you are not equally as fanatical in the language you use when talking about it, then you are a "rape apologist" or condone child abuse.

As someone already posted here, you may find that it may have happened to him when he was a kid which could explain his over zealous approach to all of these types of discussions.


No doubt I will now be called a "rape apologist" or condone child abuse by him, both of which I actually find abhorrent but that won't stop him believing otherwise.
 
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Conanius said:
I don't doubt he would be a big figure to take on, but the fact no convictions happened during his life ....? Didn't he have charges dropped several times ?
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Its amazing what vested interests and cover ups can acheive. Just look at News International and The Met. The BBC clearly knew about this, who knows how far influence was wielded to keep it under wraps. I imagine this would have been even easier to acomplish at the time the offeces were taking place, given the attitudes at that time.

And since there doesn't appear to be a specifc thread for it, can I briefly use this celeb bashing thread to wave my angry fist at Justin Lee Collins? *waves fist*, you naughty man. Carry on.
 
So I saw in the paper today a story about someone who was sleeping next to a person that was being molested by Saville... Wonder how much they got paid for that story...

Forgive me for being so synical when money and "fame" are involved, especially when there can only ever be one side of the story.

There may be some real cases in there against him but the fact most people seem to have gone straight to the media rather than the police with their stories just makes it even more suspicions...
 
[TW]Fox;22937497 said:
Whole thing just seems so bizarre.

I think more important than Saville is what role those who *are* still around played in anything that may have happened.
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This is exactly what I was thinking, they can not do anything of importance to Seville now but if there are people who had knowledge of this they need to be crucified for it. Someone must have known something and there is no excuse on earth tolerable for standing by while it happened, no matter what the man was doing for charity.
 
Doing some charity work doesn't excuse child rape, abuse of brain damage victims & sexual assault.

Assuming the claims are true (which I think is pretty unlikely for all 120 leads to be false - assuming the recent figures given are accurate) - then he should be exposed for the person he is, those who knew & did nothing/helped him cover it up charged in an attempt to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

Even if people stop donating to his charity, they will simply donate to another - it's not like all charities are going to lose out.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to try to defend him, I mean - does anybody genuinely believe every single one of these women & other people who worked at the BBC who are coming out of the woodwork now are ALL making it up?.
 
Richie said:
Dont stress it. Hurfdurf is very fanatical about this kind of thing and if you are not equally as fanatical in the language you use when talking about it, then you are a "rape apologist" or condone child abuse.

As someone already posted here, you may find that it may have happened to him when he was a kid which could explain his over zealous approach to all of these types of discussions.


No doubt I will now be called a "rape apologist" or condone child abuse by him, both of which I actually find abhorrent but that won't stop him believing otherwise.
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The fact that you think the only reason someone can want to combat rape culture can only mean they themselves were abused and have highlighted that shows your true feelings towards rape and how lightly you take it.

And no, I have never been raped or sexually assaulted as a child.
 
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