Jimmy Savile - Sexual Predator

MassiveJim · 30 Sep 2023 at 13:47

dave28 said:
Not seen it obviously but I would have thought its an attempt by the BBC to put a spin on the story in their own favour.

well they're hardly likely to completely damn themselves are they.

BowdonUK · 1 Oct 2023 at 11:29

BBC making money off their own sex offender.

While condemning Brands conduct.

It is saying the BBC will defend any behaviour until it's found out.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2023 at 11:32

BowdonUK said:
BBC making money off their own sex offender.

While condemning Brands conduct.

It is saying the BBC will defend any behaviour until it's found out.

I've lost track of this conversation

Are you saying BBC are making money off a 23 year old documentary episode?

BowdonUK · 1 Oct 2023 at 12:17

VincentHanna said:
I've lost track of this conversation

Are you saying BBC are making money off a 23 year old documentary episode?

I'm not sure what you are referring to by 23 year old documentary?

I was talking about The Reckoning trailer posted earlier in the thread.

Jimmy Savile drama gives chilling first look at Steve Coogan

The series has already been met with backlash.

metro.co.uk

The commercial arm of the BBC (formally BBC Studios) sells programmes to other countries. That's how the BBC makes most of its money.

jpaul · 1 Oct 2023 at 13:25

bbc should pull it with the Brand stuff happening in parallel .. until police make a decision.

Colonel_Klinck · 1 Oct 2023 at 15:20

BowdonUK said:
BBC making money off their own sex offender.

While condemning Brands conduct.

It is saying the BBC will defend any behaviour until it's found out.

So the BBC shouldn't be making a program about Saville?

BowdonUK · 1 Oct 2023 at 15:50

Colonel_Klinck said:
So the BBC shouldn't be making a program about Saville?

Not dramas.

This is just my view. I think many share it.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2023 at 15:54

I don't see why not, they aren't going to glamorise it.

MassiveJim · 1 Oct 2023 at 16:59

VincentHanna said:
I don't see why not, they aren't going to glamorise it.

Just feels like damage control.

Chris Wilson · 1 Oct 2023 at 17:06

VincentHanna said:
I've lost track of this conversation

Are you saying BBC are making money off a 23 year old documentary episode?

The BBC make money from every second of air time, no matter what the content or age of the transmitted material.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2023 at 17:21

MassiveJim said:
Just feels like damage control.

After 13 years?

ANDREW GREEN · 1 Oct 2023 at 17:35

VincentHanna said:
I don't see why not, they aren't going to glamorise it.

Don't you think it could be upseting to his victims?

Also are they going to show warnings that the BBC ignored? Is it going to bring to light all those that turned a blind eye? Will it show Saville using all kinds of threats to intimidate victims and their famalies. Show him in the depth of his abuse of children and vulnerable people? Because that is the reality of the man.

I think it's unlikely a drama can do justice to it and it almost certainly shouldn't be the BBC doing it unless they plan on being very damning of themselves.

MassiveJim · 1 Oct 2023 at 17:45

VincentHanna said:
After 13 years?

perhaps damage control is the wrong phrase.
But its being aired by the company that allowed this to happen, they aren't going to damn themselves, so it feels like it will be littered with excuses/reasons why the behaviour was allowed.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2023 at 18:41

"Allowed it to happen" implies that everyone around him knew what was going on.

I don't believe that was the case at all.

Hotwired · 1 Oct 2023 at 18:46

BowdonUK said:
The commercial arm of the BBC (formally BBC Studios) sells programmes to other countries. That's how the BBC makes most of its money.

That's how the commercial arm makes most of its money. The BBC as a whole, nothing gets close to the licence fee money.

Lord-Jaffa · 1 Oct 2023 at 18:50

VincentHanna said:
"Allowed it to happen" implies that everyone around him knew what was going on.

I don't believe that was the case at all.

You must be new around here, sweet summer child.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2023 at 19:01

If there is verifiable evidence, rather than hearsay, I'd be interested to read it.

Most of his abuse was carried out at hospitals (13!) and schools, rather than in BBC dressing rooms (though I am certain that did happen as well)

BowdonUK · 1 Oct 2023 at 20:01

VincentHanna said:
If there is verifiable evidence, rather than hearsay, I'd be interested to read it.

Most of his abuse was carried out at hospitals (13!) and schools, rather than in BBC dressing rooms (though I am certain that did happen as well)

Though they are different cases and time eras, I imagine many people were doing the same with Savile at the BBC as channel 4 were doing with Brand at the time, excusing bawdy behaviour.

The morality line wasn't as defined as it is today with young people*. That's how people like Savile operated. People might have thought something was odd. But if they didn't know the age of the girl then it's a big accusation to accuse someone else of being a pedo. That is what these abusers rely on. The accusation being so big and the accuser not being 100% sure.

*It was around this time that pedos were in plain sight and campaigning to be a legitimate sexual orientation with the PIE organisation.

I stumbled on a video a few months back on youtube of a French journalist documenting that in France, and other european countries, similar organisations to PIE were trying to change laws.

FoxEye · 1 Oct 2023 at 20:18

VincentHanna said:
I don't see why not, they aren't going to glamorise it.

It's an entertainment product tho, isn't it. By its very nature.

I don't think it's there to educate, so the question is, what is its purpose?

I'm not objecting to it per se, but it does seem gratuitous to make a drama from Saville's exploits.

VincentHanna · 7 Oct 2023 at 08:15

Some reviews are out for 'The Reckoning'. Mixture of good and bad.

4/5 from The Times, Evening Standard, iNews and 'Dextero' (whoever they are)
3/5 from Radio Times and Yahoo News
2/5 from Telegraph and Daily Mail.

The worse reviews are predictably from newspapers that love to bash the BBC anyway saying that the BBC excuse themselves too much, a worry that some posters above had.

This article clarifies that BBC are airing it, but didn't make it.

Jimmy Savile: Steve Coogan on playing paedophile TV presenter in The Reckoning

A new TV drama sees Steve Coogan play Jimmy Savile, one of the UK's most notorious paedophiles.

www.bbc.co.uk

Although it is airing on the BBC, The Reckoning has been produced by ITV Studios.That isn't unusual. However, in this case, it adds important and valuable distance, as the BBC is one step removed from the editorial process.

"I thought was important that they should have the editorial freedom to tell the story they wanted," says the BBC's chief content officer Charlotte Moore. "I said, 'There are no boundaries to where you should go, you need to tell that story'."