Joe Rogan and Spotify

Colonel_Klinck said:
And of course some "citizen journalist" had to go to his house today.
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Horrible.

I never liked Rogan, it feels like he has his own rent-a-mob, who just lap up everything, which is fine when they’re talking about flying saucers or whatever..

But when we cross that with the anti-vaccine people, it gets quite dangerous - people could legit die and almost certainly have died, as a result of anti-vaccine lies.

Really don’t like the guy, never have.
 
Roar87 said:
Why do left leaning folk typically hate having their ideas challenged and debated so much? They must be living in a nightmare now that Twitter doesn't ban anyone that has wrong think.
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Any more nonsense for us this weekend Roar? So we have a doctor at the very top of his field who has to debate a conspiracy theorist or he hates having his ideas challenged. (And lets remember this is a scientist who has spent a career having his hypothesis challenged and challenging others.) Yet when I and others have said Elon should be interviewed by a journalist that will actually challenge him and push back you ask why should he do it.

Why is it right leaning folk typically hate having their ideas challenged and debated so much? blah blah blah :rolleyes:
 
Screeeech said:
Horrible.

I never liked Rogan, it feels like he has his own rent-a-mob, who just lap up everything, which is fine when they’re talking about flying saucers or whatever..

But when we cross that with the anti-vaccine people, it gets quite dangerous - people could legit die and almost certainly have died, as a result of anti-vaccine lies.

Really don’t like the guy, never have.
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Yep. They talk about these doctors and scientists work as a holocaust. That is the language they use and when you convince your people these doctors are the same as Nazis that murdered millions you are going to get violence.
 
I watched the episode in question; don't understand where all this "loony idiot" nonsense has come from :confused: He put forward some compelling statements and highlighted many potential issues, as well as reiterating what Dr Malhotra spoke on too.

I suggest people watch or listen before they criticise.
 
Not listened to Rogan for ages, but I did jump on the RFK one yesterday.

Quite interesting and food for thought.

The medical stuff aside, I liked the last third of the podcast the best
 
NVP said:
I watched the episode in question; don't understand where all this "loony idiot" nonsense has come from :confused: He put forward some compelling statements and highlighted many potential issues, as well as reiterating what Dr Malhotra spoke on too.

I suggest people watch or listen before they criticise.
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Standard OcUK intellectuals, they don't actually watch or listen to anyone they criticise, they just repeat things they've heard
 
NVP said:
I watched the episode in question; don't understand where all this "loony idiot" nonsense has come from :confused: He put forward some compelling statements and highlighted many potential issues, as well as reiterating what Dr Malhotra spoke on too.

I suggest people watch or listen before they criticise.
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The problem is, that pretty much everything Malhotra says regarding vaccines being bad, is either unsupported by evidence, proven wrong in other studies, derived from poor quality data or cherry picked to fit his narrative.

He’s also not far from being struck off the medical register - a bunch of GPs are sueing the GMC over allowing him to continue practising whilst spreading misinformation.
 
NVP said:
I watched the episode in question; don't understand where all this "loony idiot" nonsense has come from :confused: He put forward some compelling statements and highlighted many potential issues, as well as reiterating what Dr Malhotra spoke on too.

I suggest people watch or listen before they criticise.
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No one said he isn't good at articulating what he thinks. He's a politician who has spent years refining this. Doesn't mean what he says isn't loony though. His views on HIV/AIDS denialism, anti vax and even though he's an environmentalist he has opposed nuclear, hydro and wind farms.

Infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm says that Kennedy's anti-vaccine disinformation is effective “because it’s portrayed to the public with graphs and figures and what appears to be scientific data. He has perfected the art of illusion of fact.” Osterholm also adds "this is about people’s lives. And the consequences of promoting this kind of disinformation, as credible as it may seem, is simply dangerous.”[198]
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You have his belief that vaccines cause autism, which has long been debunked. And the even wilder stuff like wifi breaks down the blood brain barrier and Fauci and Bill Gates would cut off money to people who refused to get vaccinated and would let them starve.

So he might come over all reasonable on a podcast and he might seem well researched and not even mention some of his extreme beliefs but that is why you need as host to push back and challenge him but as several people have mentioned Joe's show is for entertainment purposes only and isn't meant to educate his listeners.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
No one said he isn't good at articulating what he thinks. He's a politician who has spent years refining this. Doesn't mean what he says isn't loony though. His views on HIV/AIDS denialism, anti vax and even though he's an environmentalist he has opposed nuclear, hydro and wind farms.



You have his belief that vaccines cause autism, which has long been debunked. And the even wilder stuff like wifi breaks down the blood brain barrier and Fauci and Bill Gates would cut off money to people who refused to get vaccinated and would let them starve.

So he might come over all reasonable on a podcast and he might seem well researched and not even mention some of his extreme beliefs but that is why you need as host to push back and challenge him but as several people have mentioned Joe's show is for entertainment purposes only and isn't meant to educate his listeners.
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Doubling down, hey?

You were calling him an idiot, stating reasoned debate would be impossible blah blah blah - I saw nothing of the sort.

His views may be inaccurate, but he's far from an idiot that cannot discuss something. So all this BS you've been regurgitating, without even hearing the information in question, comes across more ridiculous than what you're opposing.
 
Screeeech said:
The problem is, that pretty much everything Malhotra says regarding vaccines being bad, is either unsupported by evidence, proven wrong in other studies, derived from poor quality data or cherry picked to fit his narrative.

He’s also not far from being struck off the medical register - a bunch of GPs are sueing the GMC over allowing him to continue practising whilst spreading misinformation.
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Oh really? Got any suggested reading?
 
NVP said:
Oh really? Got any suggested reading?
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healthfeedback.org

Article by cardiologist Aseem Malhotra made unsupported claims about the benefits and risks of COVID-19 vaccination

Scientific evidence from clinical trials and safety monitoring indicate that the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. While severe reactions to the vaccine can occur, they are rare, and the most common side effects of vaccination are mild and go away within a few days. All available...
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www.factcheck.org

COVID-19 Vaccine Benefits Outweigh Small Risks, Contrary to Flawed Claim From U.K. Cardiologist - FactCheck.org

Dozens of studies support the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, which have a good safety profile and work well in preventing severe disease and death. Yet, citing a single, flawed paper, a British cardiologist known for peddling misinformation has misleadingly argued that the shots are harmful...
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UK: Doctors to take legal action against GMC over ‘inaction’ on Covid vaccine misinformation | Practice Source - Legal News and Views - Asia Pacific and Beyond

A group of doctors, including some GPs, has begun legal proceedings against the GMC based on what they say is a failure to act on Covid-19 vaccine misinformation. On Friday, the group, whose members wish to remain anonymous, sent a formal pre-action protocol letter to the GMC, which is a…
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mrk said:
Kinda sums up my past experiences of watching Rogan's podcasts. it cannot be denied he's had some great guests and the interviews have been excellent with great exchange. But then he interviews nutjobs and that sidelines all the good from before and raises eyebrows. And then Rogan is in the headlines about other bs and you just think wtf is he doing...

It's got to the point where with these sorts of people you really have to take every production on its own merits in isolation, like a court trial where the jury are told only to base their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence presented and not the past actions of the accused or what's out there in the ether being said as it's unrelated to this case.

It just so happens though that the far right have very few redeemable qualities in anything they put out, anyone with any rational thinking and common decency/sense can see this and it's very hard to put a positive mindset into the things those people say or do as it rarely makes any logical or common sense. Right wingers seem devoid of any critical thinking which would normally allow them to rethink their views when presented with evidence that goes against what they've been told and what they believe it, whereas left wingers often will adopt the evidence approach and adapt as new findings come to light. I think this is because it's far easier to shout and go against the grain than it is to be a critical thinker and accept that you might be in the wrong and then change your view for the better.
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And you've done the very thing that you claim right-wingers do. You've just judged a whole group of people based on zero evidence. Personally, I don't think your political leanings change how you choose to use evidence or feelings and it more depends on the person.

I'd also claim that it depends on the subject etc too.
 
How so? The evidence supporting facts side more often with left leaning outlets/people, the same cannot be said for the right, and in terms of right leaning commentators on social media/forums etc, this is even more the case where evidence is either dismissed or ignored. in favour of a belief, or a link to a known CT outlet/author. If you can point out where I've done that here then I'm all eyes. I've acknowledged that there are exceptions, but the vast majority of the right are this way inclined. You can't point fingers at someone for simply highlighting an observable fact, it's not a matter of opinion or a belief, it is something you can literally see and hear every day from such a group of people, again, not all... but the vast majority. The same people are then suddenly absent in threads where there is no way to positively amplify their views, take the trump thread as a prime example, the guy is beyond saving, and the usual names have been magically missing from showing their support for a while now, yet still taking part in other threads where they still have a margin to debate with.

Case in point, all of the previous stuff being debated about in this thread.

I suspect you have read my post out of the wider context.

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mrk said:
The evidence supporting facts side more often with left leaning outlets/people, the same cannot be said for the right, and in terms of right leaning commentators on social media/forums etc, this is even more the case where evidence is either dismissed or ignored.
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I find it interesting that you’ve managed to quantify this. Can you please share that quantity with us? Exactly how much more often do facts side with left leaning outlets?
 
It's more what's been observed in every instance of right vs left debate online, I'm sure someone has created a pie chart or bar graph to represent it in numbers, but for those with not that much time to do this, just casually skimming posts (and then the comments sections) on forums and social media will show you exactly this.
 
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mrk said:
It's more what's been observed in every instance of right vs left debate online, I'm sure someone has created a pie chart or bar graph to represent it in numbers, but for those with not that much time to do this, just casually skimming posts (and then the comments sections) on forums and social media will show you exactly this.
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If RFK had been talking like you are now in that podcast then I’d understand the automatic dismissal of any points he raised.
 
mrk said:
It's more what's been observed in every instance of right vs left debate online, I'm sure someone has created a pie chart or bar graph to represent it in numbers, but for those with not that much time to do this, just casually skimming posts (and then the comments sections) on forums and social media will show you exactly this.
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Source: Trust me bro
 
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