Joe Rogan and Spotify

Jono8 · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:11

Roar87 said:
That private companies shouldn't perhaps censor based on blue haired Twitter outrage? That's essentially my opinion. Everytime I see someone comment on Facebook negatively about Joe Rogan I'll check their profile out and it's always some 50+ year old bloke who looks like he's given up on life and wants to drag the rest of the world down with him, like their wife has bought their clothes for the past 25 years, so that probably influences my opinion too

I don't want to censor anyone necessarily. I just support Spotify's right to do what they want in terms of hosting him or not.

I find the outrage over some idiot being banned from some social media platform as equal in it's stupidity as the outrage about them in the first place.

Why do you care what someone on Twitter, or what Spotify thinks about Joe Rogan? If he was popular enough, there would be nothing stopping him just having his own platform. If the government decided to stop him having his own platform when he is doing nothing illegal, then i would agree with the premise that is trying to be made up in the OP of this thread.

No person or company should be forced to host anyone and everything (unless the reason is due to obvious discrimination). You say "private companies shouldnt...." Why not? Why is it up to you? DO you not agree with them having their own autonomy?

Chuk_Chuk · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:32

Jono8 said:
I'm respecting Spotify's right to host whatever they want on their servers, and have their own opinions and thoughts on the content too.

Is that what is actually happening or is Spotify bowing to public pressure?

Let us be honest, Spotify is doing this because rando's on twitter started complaining.

C Kent · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:38

Spotify haven't 'cancelled' Rogan have they, as far as I'm aware he is still listed and has his rather large contract with them?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488019683404136448%5Bmedia%5D

Zatoichi.uK · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:39

dLockers said:
Ivermectin, 'horse' de-wormer or not, is still an anti-parasitic de-worming drug. For those on the club scene, ketamine was still known as horse tranquiliser regardless of its use in humans.

It was prescribed to him by a doctor. Talked about here.

https://youtu.be/3O_7O9_nV10

Apologies if already covered I'm late to this thread.

Chuk_Chuk · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:40

C Kent said:
Spotify haven't 'cancelled' Rogan have they, as far as I'm aware he is still listed and has his rather large contract with them?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488019683404136448%5Bmedia%5D

No they haven't cancelled him, probably because that £100 million contract comes with a hefty exit fee.

Chuk_Chuk · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:46

Zatoichi.uK said:
It was prescribed to him by a doctor. Talked about here.

https://youtu.be/3O_7O9_nV10

Apologies if already covered I'm late to this thread.

Funny enough in a presentation I saw it mentioned the monoclonal antibodies are now offered by the NHS as treatment.

Jono8 · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:48

Chuk_Chuk said:
Is that what is actually happening or is Spotify bowing to public pressure?

So what if they are? Are they not allowed to make a business decision based on what they think might be best for their public image :confused:

Are they not allowed to listen to the random idiots on twitter, compared to the random idiot that is Joe Rogan?

Chuk_Chuk · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:52

Jono8 said:
So what if they are? Are they not allowed to make a business decision based on what they think might be best for their public image

I hope you can see the difference between I am doing XYZ because I want to and I am doing XYZ because I feel pressured to.
They are not the same.

Jono8 · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:58

Chuk_Chuk said:
I hope you can see the difference between I am doing XYZ because I want to and I am doing XYZ because I feel pressured to.
They are not the same.

Don't businesses do things due to public image/pressure literally all the time? That is kind of how business works (at least in terms of marketing and image).

Freefaller · 31 Jan 2022 at 14:59

Not that I have ever used spotify but isn't this an example of virtue signaling? Surely people can listen to information and use critical thinking to make up their minds as to whether it's true or not? I'd rather be given an array of information with some stats / fact rather than people not be able to express opinions and free thought.

VincentHanna · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:01

Critical thinking went out the window about 6 years ago

arknor · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:01

Freefaller said:
Not that I have ever used spotify but isn't this an example of virtue signaling? Surely people can listen to information and use critical thinking to make up their minds as to whether it's true or not? I'd rather be given an array of information with some stats / fact rather than people not be able to express opinions and free thought.

but that's dangerous and divisive what if you form an opinion someone doesn't agree with?

(not serious)

Ayahuasca · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:03

VincentHanna said:
Critical thinking went out the window about 6 years ago

Can that be fact-checked or is it just your opinion?

Jono8 · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:03

Freefaller said:
Not that I have ever used spotify but isn't this an example of virtue signaling? Surely people can listen to information and use critical thinking to make up their minds as to whether it's true or not? I'd rather be given an array of information with some stats / fact rather than people not be able to express opinions and free thought.

Do you not agree that Spotify has the right to express their opinion on Joe's opinions (because that is what this thread is about)?

arknor · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:04

Jono8 said:
Do you not agree that Spotify has the right to express their opinion on Joe's opinions (because that is what this thread is about)?

I'd agree joe rogan sold out and should do as his pay masters wish

It's not about him any more it's about the spotify brand, he's just an employee.

Freefaller · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:15

Jono8 said:
Do you not agree that Spotify has the right to express their opinion on Joe's opinions (because that is what this thread is about)?

Yes of course - but they shouldn't remove the content and how do they know it's misinformation? Who fact checks the fact checkers? Spotify aren't any more experts on some things as the BBC is or any other news site.

I'm not suggesting the owners of the platform can't do what they want with it - it's their business after all, just like the businesses I am involved in, we are responsible for how it's perceived by our brands. However, I think this has been overly sensationalised (as usual).

Zatoichi.uK · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:15

Joe Rogan is not a perfect person, nor has he every claimed to be. He's just curious and is happy to have long form discussions about difficult and sometimes controversial subjects. He (Well Jamie) often look up claims as discussions are taking place to fact check as best they can whilst keeping the conversation flowing and keeping it interesting. He will happily issue corrections if he's wrong about something. This is something mainstream news sources simply cannot do, partly due to time constraints, and in fact often do the opposite by taking short out of context quotes to discredit people. See Jordan Petersons interview with Cathy Newman for a good example. (So you're saying....)

I don't watch much Rogan these days but have enjoyed a lot of his work and been introduced to new people and ideas. Peoples trust of what were mainstream sources are at an all time low and for good reason. The fact that an often stoned/drunk MMA announcer is a more trusted source than many others should tell us that we have a real problem.

doodah · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:22

The way Discover Weekly is going, I might have to consider my subscription. For weeks - it just plays the songs I removed en masse months ago. It's really annoying.

Chuk_Chuk · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:24

Jono8 said:
Do you not agree that Spotify has the right to express their opinion on Joe's opinions (because that is what this thread is about)?

You go on to make the exact same mistake that I pointed, so it seems either you don't know the difference or are intentionally conflating it. Spotify doesn't have an opinion on the matter. They don't care.

Jono8 said:
Don't businesses do things due to public image/pressure literally all the time? That is kind of how business works (at least in terms of marketing and image).

Did i say that they don't?

Shocky-FM · 31 Jan 2022 at 15:45

The only ones that would lose out here would be Spotify, he pulls in 11 million viewers on average which completely dwarfs all of the MSN networks combined and they hate it, they can't control the narrative.

If they drop him he'll be back on another platform and his viewers will go with him, they can't cancel him. It's just a question of if Spotify will cave in to the left wing cancel mob, and probably have pay hefty exit fee.