John Terry Racism Trial

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JohnnyG said:
I don't think he's stupid enough to insult someone so obviously in a way that would be so widely broadcast.
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So the defence there is he wouldn't do something that he's likely to get caught out on? Seems common sense deserted him when it came to Wayne Bridges ex :p. Stupidity is not a defence here, since it's stupid to use the words in any context on the football pitch in the first place.

It's not impossible, which is why I do understand the verdict, but don't you also think it's very unlikely he would be offended enough to repeat the insult to Ferdinand, but then make no attempt whatsoever to push him for an explanation? Surely most people when accused of being racist either let it go, or demand an answer. John Terry, the man who won't stand for anyone thinking he's racist, did neither.
 
wedgie said:
So the defence there is he wouldn't do something that he's likely to get caught out on? Seems common sense deserted him when it came to Wayne Bridges ex :p. Stupidity is not a defence here, since it's stupid to use the words in any context on the football pitch in the first place.

It's not impossible, which is why I do understand the verdict, but don't you also think it's very unlikely he would be offended enough to repeat the insult to Ferdinand, but then make no attempt whatsoever to push him for an explanation? Surely most people when accused of being racist either let it go, or demand an answer. John Terry, the man who won't stand for anyone thinking he's racist, did neither.
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Are you saying A. Ferdinand is stupid for using those words in the first place or Terry?
He did push him for an explanation & clarifiaction, read the Judgment.
 
I'm talking about Terry, Ferdinand hasn't admitted to using the words has he? He didn't even know anything about it until he got home and saw the video, as far as he knew nothing had gone on which is why he said everything was ok when Terry came to see him after the game.

What do you mean read the judgement? Does the video of the event show Terry going to Ferdinand and demanding an explanation, or does it show him running away and getting on with the game as soon as he says it?
 
I am by no means a fan of John Terry but the judgement was correct in my view. From the time at which the case surfaced and the videos became available it seemed to me that Terry was reacting to an accusation by Ferdinand so it doesn't surprise me that this was the verdict.

The fact is there is doubt about whether what he said was in reaction to something said or perceived to be said by Ferdinand. By the rule of law in this country that makes him not guilty. We will never know whether he actually was making a racist comment to Ferdinand or if Terry's version of events is correct.

The FA surely cannot take action against Terry after this verdict on the grounds of racist abuse. They could go after both players for foul and abusive language but they won't. It's a shame because the language used by footballers in every game is foul and they should behave more appropriately. Unfortunately the FA have not got the backbone to stand up to the players and demand properly that they treat the game, refs and fans with more respect and curb their aggression in that sense.

Rugby uses wired mics and I think this is a good thing. Unfortunately if football tried the same thing all games would have to be played after 9pm and have a warning broadcast before every match.

I am not saint and swear a lot but I know the context and don't use that language when not appropriate. Footballers should have the same self-restraint.
 
JohnnyG said:
no, I don't think he's stupid enough to insult someone so obviously in a way that would be so widely broadcast.
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Err. but he did. And it was. Lol? I couldn't give two hoots about his verdict. Case thrown out. Whoopedeedoo. But the fact you convince yourself that what he did was anything other than chav stupidity is hilarious.
 
Nexus said:
How can it not be a negative?

If you are another race and you deliberately bring somebody else's race into part of an offensive statement you are being racist. If somebody is a **** they are a ****, but if you stoop to calling them a Black/White/Brown/Yellow/etc **** then it is not a factual statement its being used to cause racial offence.

As I said before, if somebody of another race called me a white ****, I would take that as a racist remark made against me.
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Do you believe black people are inferior in some way?

The term is only negative if it is perceived that lack people are inferior.
 
Merlin5 said:
Err. but he did. And it was. Lol? I couldn't give two hoots about his verdict. Case thrown out. Whoopedeedoo. But the fact you convince yourself that what he did was anything other than chav stupidity is hilarious.
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Not quite as hilarious as you looking down on him from your ivory tower and deciding that your take on events is gospel.
Err. but there's no way to prove he did it either way.
I haven't convinced myself of what he did & have said so, you have, even in the face of the outcome & the evidence or lack of.
Blinkered comes to mind.
 
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JohnnyG said:
Not quite as hilarious as you looking down on him from you ivory tower and deciding that your take on events is gospel.
Err. but there's no way to prove he did it either way.
I haven't convinced myself of what he did & have said so, you have, even in the face of the outcome & the evidence or lack of.
Blinkered comes to mind.
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Lol, he even admitted he'd said those words. What planet are you on?
 
Merlin5 said:
Yes thanks. He admitted he'd said those words yet you're still defending your multimillionaire chav hero. Next question?
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You obviously can't read very well so I'll type this very slowly for you.

No-one, including myself, have claimed he didn't say those words, you can try to claim differently if you like but you'll just look sillier.
I & others are defending the decision, which in light of the evidence presented is the correct one.
You don't like the decision, that's up to you, but don't start fabricating things just to save face.
 
JohnnyG said:
You obviously can't read very well so I'll type this very slowly for you.

No-one, including myself, have claimed he didn't say those words, you can try to claim differently if you like but you'll just look sillier.
I & others are defending the decision, which in light of the evidence presented is the correct one.
You don't like the decision, that's up to you, but don't start fabricating things just to save face.
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I've no idea what you're babbling on about, oh man of honour.
You said Terry wouldn't be stupid enough to insult someone where it could be widely broadcast. But he did just that. Or perhaps the concept of these things called TV cameras at a football match is new to him? Yes that must be it. He also admitted to what he'd said. Where am I fabricating anything? Tbh, I haven't had time to make stuff up when I've been too preoccupied laughing at how ignorant you are, lol.
 
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Merlin5 said:
You said Terry wouldn't be stupid enough to insult someone where it could be widely broadcast. But he did just that.
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It couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt that he did call Ferdinand a "black ****" as an insult.

He admitted to using the words but claimed that he was sarcastically repeating an accusation from Ferdinand.
 
BaZ87 said:
It couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt that he did call Ferdinand a "black ****" as an insult.

He admitted to using the words but claimed that he was sarcastically repeating an accusation from Ferdinand.
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I don't care about the court case and I'm not even arguing about, or bothered about, the outcome. I don't even think it should have gone to court.

The point I'm trying to make but is falling on deaf ears, is that Terry was dumb enough to even get himself into a position of insulting someone, in front of cameras, with the word 'black' in his insult. How thick is he that he didn't realise it would turn into a fiasco?
 
Merlin5 said:
The point I'm trying to make but is falling on deaf ears, is that Terry was dumb enough to even get himself into a position of insulting someone, in front of cameras, with the word 'black' in his insult. How thick is he that he didn't realise it would turn into a fiasco?
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The point you're failing to understand though is that Terry claims he wasn't insulting Ferdinand. He was simply repeating the accusation. And I personally don't believe that during the middle of a match, players always remember they've got 100 cameras on them.

If (and I'm not saying I believe him) Terry did believe that Ferdinand accused him of saying what he claims then I'm not sure he has been stupid for using the words in the way he claims. He was (so he claims) only defending himself from those accusations.
 
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