John Terry Racism Trial

[Merlin5]

I'm not failing to understand anything. Terry can claim what the hell he wants, whether it was the truth or not.


Chelsea were down to nine men in the clash at Loftus Road, and Ferdinand and Terry began trading insults over a penalty claim, the court heard.

Ferdinand said: "He called me a **** and I called him a **** back and he gave me a gesture as if to say my breath smelled.

"I said to him, 'How can you call me a ****? You shagged your team-mate's missus, you're a ****"

So Terry started with the first insult, Ferdinand retorted, and then Terry had nothing, so he resorted to schoolboy insults bringing Ferdinand's colour into it.
Pathetic little man really.


He was in court trying to defend himself. What else would you expect him and his ££££££ per hour lawyer to do other than weasel their way out with lame excuses? You think a public figure like Terry doesn't know by now after all these years of playing football that cameras are always there and he should remember to mind his P's & Q's? ? Lol, he might be a great footballer, but he's not very bright is he.

 

[shawsy109]

I & others are defending the decision, which in light of the evidence presented is the correct one.

So your a student of law i take it? or just your opinion?

 

[BaZ87]

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If we're talking about general insults then yes Terry openly insulted Ferdinand but I assumed we're talking about the racist remark which Terry claims was simply said sarcastically following the accusation made against him.

Given that general swearing and insults appear to be common place within football, I imagine Terry wasn't concerned about the consequences of being caught calling Ferdinand a ****. And as I said, if he's used the term black **** as he's claimed, he's committed no offense so shouldn't be concerned if he's been caught saying that either

Again, I don't believe the fact that they're being filmed is on a players mind throughout the game though.

 

[V F]

If we're talking about general insults then yes Terry openly insulted Ferdinand but I assumed we're talking about the racist remark which Terry claims was simply said sarcastically following the accusation made against him.

His face was really angry for something to be sarcastic.

Given that general swearing and insults appear to be common place within football, I imagine Terry wasn't concerned about the consequences of being caught calling Ferdinand a ****. And as I said, if he's used the term black **** as he's claimed, he's committed no offense so shouldn't be concerned if he's been caught saying that either

It's sad that this is the example of professional football. The school playground.

 

[wedgie]

I don't see a thing wrong with anything that was said by either player up until the racial comment. Yes they're professionals, but they're grown men competing against each other and whether it's sunday league, the premier league or a whole different sport, that it's typically how people act when competing.

I watched the footage again last night and I believe his story even less now though. He's laughing as if he's mid name calling, he shouts yeah, then something else (looks like Oi but difficult to be sure) his head is then blocked for 1 second even in slow motion, he then says you ******* black ****. I don't see how in maybe half a second of real time he would be able to say 'did you say I just called you a' ...... or anything remotely resembling that. Not to mention that there is no a between you and *******, the words you see are you ******* black....., not you a ******* black ...... The latter looks like we're catching the back end of a question, the former does not.

Again these are just the reasons I don't believe his story, the verdict I don't have a problem with and would have to agree it's the correct one under the circumstances.

 

[The Running Man]

From the judg:

Mr Terry’s explanation is, certainly under the cold light of forensic
examination, unlikely. It is not the most obvious response. It is
sandwiched between other undoubted insults.

The prosecution point out that in the FA interview Mr Terry was asked
“can you remember exactly what you said back to him?” and replied [page
65] “I think it was something along the lines of, “You black ****, you’re a
****ing knobhead”. The Crown say that th is represents a true statement. It
was a slip by Mr Terry. It is evidence of his guilt. Certainly it is a very
significant statement. It may well repr esent the truth. On the other hand it
is qualified by the words “I think it was something along the lines of” and
followed by the words “so I’m repeating, basically, what he’s said to me, or
what I think he is said to me.”

But judge talks himself out of listening to the statements:/ facepalm..

 

[Tunney]

Some papers are saying the FA might still investigate but I don't see how they could give a different decision to a court? I can only see them closing their investigation now.

My partner is a barrister and had a read through the judge's verdict.

In short:
- The judge believes that Anton Ferdinand is telling the truth
- The judge doesn't believe that Ashley Cole is a credible witness
- The judge believes that John Terry radically abused Anton Ferdinand but there isn't enough certainty for there to be criminal conviction.

The amount of certainty needed for the FA to take action is a lot less than a criminal court.

It's very much akin to how OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder in a criminal court but still had to pay damages for the murders after losing a civil case.

 

[Nevakonaza]

Just another footballer who will get away with it,They always do!

Well well...looks like he got away with it.

 

[V F]

I don't see a thing wrong with anything that was said by either player up until the racial comment. Yes they're professionals, but they're grown men competing against each other and whether it's sunday league, the premier league or a whole different sport,

Really? I rarely see Tennis players get anywhere near the percentage of that conduct of football players. Or Rugby. Or Formula 1.

that it's typically how people act when competing.

Only if you're scum.

 

[[ASSE]Hinchy]

I don't know if I'm missing something here, but if the courts find Terry not guilty, why are the FA being pressured into charging him for the same thing he just got found not guilty for?

Sick of hearing what Garth Crooks and Jason Roberts have to say as well.

 

[Alpherah]

I don't know if I'm missing something here, but if the courts find Terry not guilty, why are the FA being pressured into charging him for the same thing he just got found not guilty for?

Sick of hearing what Garth Crooks and Jason Roberts have to say as well.

Read Tunney's response a few up

 

[BaZ87]

I don't know if I'm missing something here, but if the courts find Terry not guilty, why are the FA being pressured into charging him for the same thing he just got found not guilty for?

Sick of hearing what Garth Crooks and Jason Roberts have to say as well.

Because the FA require a much lower burden of proof to be able to find him guilty.

The magistrate found Terry's explanation as unlikely but because there was an element of doubt, he couldn't find him guilty. If the FA decide that Terry probably done it, that would be enough for Terry to be found guilty.

 

[Locky]

Someone tweeted that Ashley Cole is a choc-ice and Rio tweeted "I hear you mate"

 

[Cosimo]

Someone tweeted that Ashley Cole is a choc-ice and Rio tweeted "I hear you mate"

From the paper:

FOOTBALL’S racism row refused to go away yesterday after Rio Ferdinand was forced to defend himself against claims that he had applauded a racially loaded comment made about Ashley Cole on Twitter. After receiving a public message from @CarltonEBanks, accusing Cole of being a “choc-ice” and a “sellout,” a reply from Ferdinand’s account came back: “I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic hahahahahahha!”

The tweet was soon deleted, after criticism from other users. “Choc-ice” — brown on the outside, white on the inside — can be used as a slur on those perceived to have betrayed their colour. When challenged by other tweeters, Ferdinand’s first response was: “If I want to laugh at something someone tweets . . . I will! Hahahaha! Now stop getting ya knickers in a twist.” He followed this by tweeting: “It’s Sarcasm!” Cole’s solicitor then issued a statement explaining that his client “wishes to make it clear that he and Rio Ferdinand are good friends and [he] has no intention of making any sort of complaint”.

The original tweeter had taken exception to Cole giving evidence in support of his Chelsea teammate, John Terry, in the trial at which Terry was cleared of racially abusing Rio Ferdinand’s brother, Anton — even though Cole, who described himself as a friend of the Ferdinand brothers, appeared a “reluctant” witness.

 

[[ASSE]Hinchy]

Rio Ferdinand really does think he is fantastic doesn't he.

 

[AGD]

Choc-ice used as a perjoritive looks racist to me. Rio Ferdinand is a hypocrite.

 

[JohnnyG]

That is just unacceptable form Ferdinand, he's an absolute ****.

 

[SoAdCrAzY]

All credibility has just been lost.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Not much you can say about that Tweet but it speaks volumes about his character especially after two people very close to him have been involved in racism.

This morning Rio Ferdinand had deleted his re-tweet of the comment, insisting that the term 'choc ice' referred to someone who was fake.

Perhaps he's on drugs again?

 

[antijoke]

If that was a member of the public they would be hell bent on dragging them to court for racial slurs/ trolling .

Ferdinand is a ****!