John Terry Racism Trial

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What a silly boy, to make any comment even remotely regarding race at the moment is beyond dumb. Wouldn't call it racist though, he's not calling a white man for being white, or a black man for being black. 'You think you're x (x being black, white, whatever) is a fairly common insult and I don't think I've ever seen it being taken as racist.

Seems like sour grapes more than anything, ok they didn't get the verdict they wanted but what has Cole done other than give whatever evidence he could? It's not like the case rested on him, the video we have is damning enough to make a lot of people believe Terry did call him that, but it's not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, simple as that really.
 
In 2010 a politician was charged with and convicted of racial harassment for calling a college a coconut, which is effectively the same thing (i.e. black on the outside, white on the inside).

For some reason Piara Powar, the head of the anti racism group FARE, was able to call a Liverpool supporter a coconut during the Suarez affair and it barely got a mention.
 
Thinking about it, it could easily be taken as racially offensive. No it's not calling someone for being black or white, but it is essentially saying you're not proud to be black, which I imagine some people will find just as offensive.

I guess the obvious needs pointing out to some of these idiots, if you're going to make a derogatory comment about/towards someone, it's probably best to leave their race out of it.
 
First thing I'd be doing is banning players from Twitter. It provides comedic value to supporters but nothing but trouble for players and their clubs. The FA must love the additional money idiotic Tweet fines are bringing in :o
 
In 2010 a politician was charged with and convicted of racial harassment for calling a college a coconut, which is effectively the same thing (i.e. black on the outside, white on the inside).

For some reason Piara Powar, the head of the anti racism group FARE, was able to call a Liverpool supporter a coconut during the Suarez affair and it barely got a mention.

Amazing how we are the only ones who have been punished out of the whole thing since last year, the fact there was no evidence for it and you have people calling people coconuts/choc ice/****ing black ****.

Quite exceptional.
 
Unbelievable by ferdinand, makes me wonder what, if anything, is happening between his ears.

He's a footballer, why does anyone think anything is between his ears.

The problem is, THIS IS NOT RACISM. He was simply laughing at something someone else said, is he stupid for reposting it, sure, I personally think people are stupid for both needing to follow other peoples every thoughts AND for having the cheek to get offended by everything everyone THINKS.

Has anyone for a split second even considered anything, ever, illegal or morally objectionable but never in a million years would you do said thing, should you be held responsible for your wandering mind having thoughts.

Part of life and knowing who you are and what you are capable of is having thoughts, thinking through things and dissmissing things. IE, I've wondered if I'd be capable of killing someone, then decided, in cold blood its something I'd simply never be capable of however I'd have no problem doing it to protect someone else.

We should not EVER hold people accountable for off the cuff remarks, jokes, responding to jokes or thoughts.

If you CHOOSE to go read twitter, you need to be aware these aren't well thought out statements, they aren't heavily invested into personal beliefs of people its momentary thoughts, bullcrap, nothing serious and if you can't understand that is the ENTIRE GOD DAMNED POINT OF IT(as ridiculous as it is that people feel the need for everyone to near their inner thoughts), then you can't get offended by it.

It doesn't matter if in the heat of the moment someone calls someone a black anything, it doesn't matter if Terry said something severely worse, it matters how LONG TERM he treats black people every day, nothing more, nothing less.

Terry is categorically NOT a racist(or hides it well), one racist remark(not that it was) a racist does not make.

People need to learn the difference between doing something impulsively and doing something with careful thought. If Terry was racist he'd be racist all the time, anyone can say ANYTHING in the moment without thought, hands up who here has ever said anything they regret and don't believe in the heat of the moment.... oh look, no one. You might blurt out the C word to a women in an argument, you might call a black person a n word, you might blurt out a fat person deserves to die, or that you want to kill someone, none of these are facts about who you are. Humans respond emotionally, that is who we are, holding people responsible for momentary lapses is insane.

physical, mental actions, we all have thoughts and do stupid things, in terms of football, Keane PLANNED to hurt someone, Shawcross made a simple mistake and never meant to hurt him and Henry in a split second with no time to think handballed, but given time to consider would never have normally done something. We have always judged peoples actions based on the time and ability to think over their actions before they do them.

Think about every single weird thought you've ever had, should you be judged for those, or for the "average" of all your actions? which is who you are?

Should he have said it, maybe, maybe not, I honestly don't care, its not racism. Racism is a terrible hurtful thing, and the less people mistake random **** for racism and the more of a big deal people make over the pointless **** the less real racism gets ignored.
 
So you are saying it's ok to use a racist comment in the heat of the moment?

That is madness.

You say holding people responsible is insane, but that's the society we live in.

I've been in numerous arguments with people from all races, but never have I used a racist term in the heat of the moment, and you have to ask the question of the persons character IF in the heat of the moment that a comment they use is a racially loaded insult.

Likewise laughing about someone being labelled as a "choc ice" in light of recent events is equally insane. Ferdinand should keep his stupid mouth shut.
 
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I've always found name calling and verbal isults petty and at times funny. Never harmful though as afterall.... They're just words.

Having followed the John Terry case for some time now, I cant help but think how crazy things have become.

How has a brief name calling/insulting session escalated into a court case?

I'm of the opinion that this shouldnt have gone to court. If anything, this should have been dealt with by the FA.
 
So you are saying it's ok to use a racist comment in the heat of the moment?


Sorry but should calling someone a "black ****" be any worse then calling someone a "****"?

The whole thing is stupid. Its funny because Ferdinand seemed fine with all the other insults and was prepared to walk away... Then hes told the word "Black" was used and then he decides to call the race card.

The whole case is a waste of money and shouldve been dealt with internally.
 
The whole thing is stupid. Its funny because Ferdinand seemed fine with all the other insults and was prepared to walk away... Then hes told the word "Black" was used and then he decides to call the race card.

TBF, Ferdinand did not play the 'race card' it was an off duty policeman who made the complaint and pursued charges.
 
You can guarantee that if a white person had called Ashley Cole a choc ice or coconut or other derogatory term people like Ferdinand would be having kittens over it and demanding a harsh punishment.

If anyone is being oppressed here it's whites and if anyone is being racist it's people like Ferdinand who will happily laugh at racially offensive remarks just as long as those making them don't have white skin.
 
Sorry but should calling someone a "black ****" be any worse then calling someone a "****"?

The whole thing is stupid. Its funny because Ferdinand seemed fine with all the other insults and was prepared to walk away... Then hes told the word "Black" was used and then he decides to call the race card.

The whole case is a waste of money and shouldve been dealt with internally.

Surely if he was fine with all the other insults, and the one racist one bothered him enough to go this far, then the one racist one was out of line.
 
You can guarantee that if a white person had called Ashley Cole a choc ice or coconut or other derogatory term people like Ferdinand would be having kittens over it and demanding a harsh punishment.

But Garth Crooks and co would claim that was different because it would be a white player talking to a black player. A black friend of mine on FB who's in support of Ferdinand tried to claim that black people can't be racist against other black people.

A better example would be a white player calling another white player a 'wigger' for listening to rap music. And yes, I agree there would be uproar if that happened.
 
Surely if he was fine with all the other insults, and the one racist one bothered him enough to go this far, then the one racist one was out of line.

Perhaps I'm the only one who finds this all very amusing.... To think Terry could have got away with just saying **** is funny to me..

The world has become too petty and childish.
 
In these modern days of Twitter I am surprised the choc ice reference hasn't been updated to a least a Magnum Ecuador.
 
Christ, you thought Terry's excuse was bad, Ferdinand's defended himself by saying Choc-Ice means fake. Yeah Rio, I remember the last time I wrote "Hahahahahahaha" after someone said to me someone's fake.
 
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