Poll: John Terry to lose England captaincy AGAIN

[Tummy]

I do agree, except unlike in circumstances in which you or I may find a case like this handled in our work, this whole thing is going to be played out in the media as well.

Unfortunately too many people in this country will jump to the conclusion that he is guilty due to the way it will be handled and repeated in the media.

Indeed. However I feel the media treatment is down to the mismanagement of the situation by the FA.

Did he? He is innocent of that charge until proven otherwise.

I've not said he's guilty. He stands accused of racially abusing a colleague.

The world of football is not the same as the average workplace and different rules apply in practice.

And I assume he isn't being suspended from actually playing for England, which presumably you would advocate? Perhaps he should be suspended from playing for his club too?

In reality this is just prejudicing his chances of a fair trial in my opinion. He has already been tried by the media and the whole thing is a farce in my view.

The world of football is a work place. Irrelevant that it's not 'average' work place.

Do you know anything about this situation or are you jumping in because it's a thread that deals with a white person accused of being racist?

No, he's not been suspended from playing for club or country. Which is (imho) wrong. He should have been suspended as soon as chargers were bought against him. That's what happens in other working environments.

In reality the FA have handled the case badly from the start, his trial by media has all come down to the FA's lack of balls to do the correct thing, which was to suspended him from club / country as soon as the charges were bought against him. Get the trial done as quickly as possible and go from there.

 

[4T5]

Personally I hate these Trial by Media cases & just want to side with whoever is being attacked by the press.
As for football, Anybody that has played a game of competitive football knows that all kinds of swear words & insults are bandied about & nobody takes a blind bit of notice & everybody gives & good as they get.
Trial is a Joke.

 

[Tummy]

Personally I hate these Trial by Media cases & just want to side with whoever is being attacked by the press.
As for football, Anybody that has played a game of competitive football knows that all kinds of swear words & insults are bandied about & nobody takes a blind bit of notice & everybody gives & good as they get.
Trial is a Joke.

Football has moved away from racist abuse though, from fans and players.

This is until very recently when the two incidents bought these back to the forefront and gave them media attention.

The Suarez thing reflected really badly on Liverpool and English football.

The Terry thing is really reflecting badly on English football at the minute.

The FA are a farce and should have dealt with this better from the start.

 

[dirtydog]

I've not said he's guilty. He stands accused of racially abusing a colleague.

It looked like you did

The world of football is a work place. Irrelevant that it's not 'average' work place.

Do you know anything about this situation or are you jumping in because it's a thread that deals with a white person accused of being racist?

I know what I've seen and heard in the media which is probably as much as you know. Or do you have some special secret insider knowledge?

No, he's not been suspended from playing for club or country. Which is (imho) wrong. He should have been suspended as soon as chargers were bought against him. That's what happens in other working environments.

You acknowledge then that the world of football is different to the world of 'normal' 'work'.

In reality the FA have handled the case badly from the start, his trial by media has all come down to the FA's lack of balls to do the correct thing, which was to suspended him from club / country as soon as the charges were bought against him. Get the trial done as quickly as possible and go from there.

Yes. Although better still if they had followed Sepp Blatter's thinking and stopped blowing things like this up out of all proportion. It would have been forgotten about if we didn't live in such a PC obssessed country nowadays.

 

[Tummy]

It looked like you did

Don't do that - Gilly

I know what I've seen and heard in the media which is probably as much as you know. Or do you have some special secret insider knowledge?

I'd love to reply to this yes, but I'll refrain from saying too much.

You acknowledge then that the world of football is different to the world of 'normal' 'work'.

Depends on what you define as 'normal' work, or work for that matter.
Standard practise in a working environment would be to suspend Terry on full pay until the trial is over. Carry out your own internal investigation and make a decision.

Yes. Although better still if they had followed Sepp Blatter's thinking and stopped blowing things like this up out of all proportion. It would have been forgotten about if we didn't live in such a PC obssessed country nowadays.

It's not because we live in a PC obsessed country, it's because standing up to racism is the 'right' thing to do.

 

[4T5]

Football has moved away from racist abuse though, from fans and players.

No it hasn't. I don't know what world you lot Pretend to be living in but a ***** **** is still a ***** ****.
The only difference is when they abuse us we take it but abuse them & idiot lawyers & do gooders get involved.
I hang with all sorts of people & when it kicks off we All get Racial.
Don't forget I suffer Racism Daily on these boards & irl, Do you hear me Moaning/Whinging ?

This whole Racism BS makes me want to Rage quit Life. +

 

[antijoke]

They have totally done the right thing with this.

The England captain is a high profile position, and going into a major tournament like this, he simply cannot be in charge of the team.

 

[4T5]

Innocent until proven Guilty !!! At least that's how I thought things worked in This country.

 

[dirtydog]

I've not said he's guilty. He stands accused of racially abusing a colleague.

It looks like your a racist, but oh well. Terry racially abused a colleague, he's now facing a trial to prove this.

So you ARE saying he is guilty. Yes?

I'd love to reply to this yes, but I'll refrain from saying too much.

No go on, I'm sure we're all ears

 

[Tummy]

No it hasn't. I don't know what world you lot Pretend to be living in but a ***** **** is still a ***** ****.
The only difference is when they abuse us we take it but abuse them & idiot lawyers & do gooders get involved.
I hang with all sorts of people & when it kicks off we All get Racial.
Don't forget I suffer Racism Daily on these boards & irl, Do you hear me Moaning/Whinging ?

This whole Racism BS makes me want to Rage quit Life. +

I live in that world that goes and watched football matches week in week out. Racism isn't nearly as bad as it used to be in this country in regards to football.

Sorry, but why should anyone have to put up with racism especially in their work place?

Err, what has you being on the receiving end of racism got to do with this?

 

[Tummy]

Innocent until proven Guilty !!! At least that's how I thought things worked in This country.

And in a working environment you should be suspended on full pay until the trial is over.

 

[Metalface Mark]

I disagree 100%.



Racially abused a colleague.

I've not said he's guilty. He stands accused of racially abusing a colleague.

You did say he's guilty, you said he racially abused a colleague when thats not been proven.

 

[4T5]

And in a working environment you should be suspended on full pay until the trial is over.

Working enviroment It's Football & they are paid Hundreds of Thousands of pounds to kick a ball about, Don't make me Laugh.

 

[dirtydog]

Ferdinand hasn't even made a complaint so this seems to be a crime without a victim.

If only the police were this zealous about pursuing real villains this country might be a nicer place to live in TBH

 

[Tummy]

So you ARE saying he is guilty. Yes?

No, t'was just a spelling mistake on my behalf. He stands accused of racially abusing a colleague.

No go on, I'm sure we're all ears

No, as much as I'd like to I can't say certain things.

You did say he's guilty, you said he racially abused a colleague when thats not been proven.

Haha yeah, I reread what I'd typed

Working enviroment It's Football & they are paid Hundreds of Thousands of pounds to kick a ball about, Don't make me Laugh.

What does it matter if they're paid lots of money? You shouldn't have to face racism in any aspect of life. Does the fact that they earn a lot of money mean they should have to put up with racism at work?

Laughable.

 

[Tummy]

Ferdinand hasn't even made a complaint so this seems to be a crime without a victim.

If only the police were this zealous about pursuing real villains this country might be a nicer place to live in TBH

I'm perfectly happy that my taxes go towards dealing with things like this.

 

[Cosimo]

I’ll be happy for Gerard to be captain until the end of Euro 2012 and then a Hart/Parker combination as captain/vice-captain for the new start afterwards.

 

[Tummy]

An easy solution would be to take the player with the highest caps to be the captain.

 

[Em3bbs]

Ferdinand hasn't even made a complaint so this seems to be a crime without a victim.

If only the police were this zealous about pursuing real villains this country might be a nicer place to live in TBH

The complaint was made by a member of the public and the footage was seen by millions of people. My son will soon be old enough to come to games with me and the family section of Loftus Road is in earshot of where the alleged incident happened. I do not want my son to be exposed to racial abuse at football games and think it's 'normal' for England's captain to do so. I would have complained as well if I had heard it (I sit at the opposite end of the ground at the moment) and I'd be extremely disappointed if the Police didn't think it was a crime when I did so.

 

[Pighardia]

I’ll be happy for Gerard to be captain until the end of Euro 2012 and then a Hart/Parker combination as captain/vice-captain for the new start afterwards.

I'd go with that.