Joker (2019)

Yaayuh! · 4 Apr 2019 at 09:40

Can't stand the general churn out of comic book films, gave up a while back now, but this could be good.
The tell at this point would be whether it's a 18/R or they're going to pussy out to 15 for the money.

cheesyboy · 4 Apr 2019 at 09:46

Rossi~ said:
Can't stand the general churn out of comic book films, gave up a while back now, but this could be good.
The tell at this point would be whether it's a 18/R or they're going to pussy out to 15 for the money.

It doesn't need to be an 18. Deadpool was only a 15, Logan was a 15. Phoenix's last movie, You Were Never Really Here, was plenty violent and that was only a 15.

You can get a lot of violence and swearing through in a 15 rating.

Yaayuh! · 4 Apr 2019 at 10:06

cheesyboy said:
It doesn't need to be an 18. Deadpool was only a 15, Logan was a 15. Phoenix's last movie, You Were Never Really Here, was plenty violent and that was only a 15.

You can get a lot of violence and swearing through in a 15 rating.

They weren't dark films at all, where as this should be, it should be messed up.

Mark1989 · 4 Apr 2019 at 19:03

Trailer did nothing for me at all, for a joker the trailer made him seem well dull

Marky · 4 Apr 2019 at 19:10

J.T said:
Hmm.. is it just me or are they trying to make him out to be some kind of Anti-Hero, you end up seeing things from his point of view and routing for him...

Not sure that's a good idea.

I got that from the trailer too - I hope it’s not like that and I hope he’s a complete psychopath

Still definitely intrigued though - looking forward to seeing what he can do for this interesting character

Trailer didn’t sell it very well though

Malevolence · 4 Apr 2019 at 19:20

No Ace Chemicals in this then?

cheesyboy · 4 Apr 2019 at 21:35

I can't see the anti-hero idea being a thing at all.

Like batman, his driving force is the feeling of weakness: BM when his parents are killed but he's only a kid, so he makes himself strong and cleans up criminals. Joker is weak as an adult, though, and his beef is with ordinary people because they show him little respect or sympathy. We might feel sorry for the treatment he faces, might wish for him to get some form of revenge, but we won't empathise with how far, and where, he takes it. Joker can't make himself strong physically, doesn't have wealth, doesn't have interpersonal skills, so finds his strength in causing fear and repulsion: he weaponises the only emotions that people have previously shown toward him when he was just an ordinary weirdo.

Just what I'm getting from the trailer. I don't read comics.

DrToffnar · 5 Apr 2019 at 14:53

You don't always need to empathise with a character to feel engaged in their narrative though.

SixTwoSix · 5 Apr 2019 at 15:29

So refreshing to see daytime Gotham, similar to TDK.

SPG · 5 Apr 2019 at 20:21

You can respin batman/joker all you want, it will never be as good as Adam West EVER !

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 5 Apr 2019 at 21:17

Aside from some cringeworthy scenes I liked Letos Joker. Shame SS was so badly received.

cheesyboy · 5 Apr 2019 at 21:36

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Aside from some cringeworthy scenes I liked Letos Joker. Shame SS was so badly received.

I thought he was fine. I thought ss was OK overall too (and remember it almost matched WW's box office). I think the problem was that he was supposed to be in it a tonne more, but almost all his scenes were crap so they had to cut it all out

Freddie1980 · 7 Apr 2019 at 10:17

I've just seen the trailer and it looks very good can't wait to see it. Great choice for the lead actor as well, I've always been fan of Joaquin Phoenix's work in the past.

Jokester · 7 Apr 2019 at 10:33

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Aside from some cringeworthy scenes I liked Letos Joker. Shame SS was so badly received.

I thought he was great in it and would have loved to have seen him in a follow up film, not sure if he’s signed up to SS2 though.

I’m not sure how I feel about this version, I fully expect Phoenix to be good in it, playing a character probably similar to You Were Never Really There. But as a Joker origin film i’ll wait and see.

G-MAN2004 · 7 Apr 2019 at 13:13

Wow, this looks incredible. About time we had another dark comic film instead of the usual stuff aimed at children.

cheesyboy · 6 Aug 2019 at 12:39

"Cinematic achievement on a high level" says the artistic director of the Toronto International film festival, who's planted the film as a Gala presentation at the festival.
https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/08/05/joker-tiff-gritty-scorsese-cinematic-achievement-on-high-level/

“It’s set in the late ’70s, early ’80s and it feels like it was made then. It’s gritty in its look,” Bailey said. “It has references to Martin Scorsese’s filmmaking and it feels like a cinematic achievement on a high level. Although it’s working with very populist material, it has great ambition."

SixTwoSix · 6 Aug 2019 at 13:00

cheesyboy said:
"Cinematic achievement on a high level" says the artistic director of the Toronto International film festival, who's planted the film as a Gala presentation at the festival.
https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/08/05/joker-tiff-gritty-scorsese-cinematic-achievement-on-high-level/

“It’s set in the late ’70s, early ’80s and it feels like it was made then. It’s gritty in its look,” Bailey said. “It has references to Martin Scorsese’s filmmaking and it feels like a cinematic achievement on a high level. Although it’s working with very populist material, it has great ambition."

Such good news, been really looking forward to this.

However i've already seen polarised views with friends before it's even out. The comic book lot have dismissed it as looking boring and the serious film lot has dismissed it as another comic book film. I think it's going to be very divisive.

Freakbro · 6 Aug 2019 at 14:27

Ok, that sounds promising. I must admit to having not been very taken with the trailers I've seen in the cinema.

Uncle Petey · 28 Aug 2019 at 17:24

No1newts · 28 Aug 2019 at 17:27

I mean it looks promising but DC find a way to screw every pooch so will reserve judgement until I see the actual film.