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I kind of get what Syla is saying. Scott told me that you need to be in position when you lower yourself to the bar, as if you just bend down any old way and grab the bar, you can't truly brace your core properly

However, it's really difficult to do with straps, and it isn't the grip that's the problem really so I don't know if chalk would help. My hands won't physically stay closed with that weight so it would just fall to the ground once I got it up off the floor
 
Using chalk for the first time is like having a eureka moment. If you don't have a climbing shop about just order some liquid stuff from myprotein, or next time your down to see ice give it a go. Massive difference. Oh chalk + mixed grip is even better for maintaining grip.
 
Mixed grip is just a no go with me, I come down more to one side, the side that's underhand in fact, my body just tends to lean in that way. Plus I prefer double overhand, less chance of pulling a bicep
 
Skillmister said:
I can't work out what you are trying to say. In what way is bracing when holding the bar with straps any different to bracing when in a starting position without straps.?
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You brace when you're standing up then grab the bar as opposed to bracing once bent over and attached to the bar with straps.

It's not that hard.

Steedie said:
I kind of get what Syla is saying. Scott told me that you need to be in position when you lower yourself to the bar, as if you just bend down any old way and grab the bar, you can't truly brace your core properly

However, it's really difficult to do with straps, and it isn't the grip that's the problem really so I don't know if chalk would help. My hands won't physically stay closed with that weight so it would just fall to the ground once I got it up off the floor
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*thumbs up*

Is this with mixed grip then or doh? You can potentially still brace well from the bottom up, as you practically do it after every rep anyway.

EDIT: just seen, doh...Have you tried using the other hand being under the bar?
 
Hook grip is a sadistic alternative ;)

DOH is a weaker grip as far as maintaining the grip throughout the lift because it doesn't counter roll like mixed or hook does. Mixed grip bicep tears are a concern but speak to ice and see how many people he knows who suffer.

You could easily get out of the poor movement issues you have with MG if you introduced it early in your workout. With your volume you would soon learn to move correctly again.
 
Syla5 said:
Hook grip is a sadistic alternative ;)

DOH is a weaker grip as far as maintaining the grip throughout the lift because it doesn't counter roll like mixed or hook does. Mixed grip bicep tears are a concern but speak to ice and see how many people he knows who suffer.

You could easily get out of the poor movement issues you have with MG if you introduced it early in your workout. With your volume you would soon learn to move correctly again.
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If one of my coaches is correct (the only one that's mentioned it) the UKSCA advocates teaching all lifts from the floor with hook grip from the start.

It really isn't that difficult? :confused:
 
Depends on your hands in all honesty. Some people can wrap their hands around the bar and it's fine, others with smaller hands naturally have more issues with hook grip.
 
For the record, it's entirely possible to set up 100% correctly with straps. It can be harder if you don't know where your spine is though.
 
If your hams are that tight then you shouldn't be able to set up at all.

There is nothing mechanically different between a full top down and a from the bar set up. It's possible to mess both of them.
 
I still teach top down because most people need as much time practising pure hip hinge as possible. However, I've had people who consistently mess up a top down set up too.

My point is that it should be possible to get in the position with a neutral spine without it. You end up with Kelly's man belly syndrome if you can't organise your spine properly and end up using psoas to crank into position, but that is a fixable problem (and a situation where top down can be a useful patterning tool).
 
icecold said:
If your hams are that tight then you shouldn't be able to set up at all.

There is nothing mechanically different between a full top down and a from the bar set up. It's possible to mess both of them.
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But if you have to bend your **** up in order to put the straps on there is no way your unbending that unless you can stand again.
 
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