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Syla5 said:
But if you have to bend your **** up in order to put the straps on there is no way your unbending that unless you can stand again.
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Practice.

I use straps occasionally for snatch work, as do pretty much everybody else who trains for snatch.

Is it what I'm used to? No.

Does it stop me getting into the right starting position to lift? No.

This can be massively overthought which is one of the ironic problems with KStar's magnum opus: it presents ideal solutions for things which I won't argue with (because everything I've seen/tried works and makes sense)... however, that doesn't mean everything that is not in his book or on his MWOD channel is invalid all of a sudden.
 
You know what, having just read back through my posts, i never once said you can't setup from the bottom. I was advising it would likely compromise steedies start position. Knowing that steedie isn't perfect with deadlift form surely this isn't **** advice?
 
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I never said it was bad advice.

I said it was possible to set up with straps. You then said these things:

Syla5 said:
You also need very good flexibility as well, tight hams and there's no chance your setting up right with straps.
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Syla5 said:
But if you have to bend your **** up in order to put the straps on there is no way your unbending that unless you can stand again.
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Which are wrong.
 
Syla5 said:
But if you have to bend your **** up in order to put the straps on there is no way your unbending that unless you can stand again.
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So you can't straighten your back once you have your hands on the bar? In which case you surely can't get into a starting position whether you have straps or not.
 
3:00 onwards of the video explains it pretty well. Your putting undue stress on the spine that as far as I was aware of you can't unwind.
 
But what's your opinion why that is the case?

I don't think you're completely understanding what's going on... How can oly chaps set up from the bottom?
 
My opinion of it is that Olympic lifters are far more flexible and are not letting there backs bend as they go do in to the lift, allowing them to setup from the bottom without their spines already under load. They don't have to try and fix something that isn't broken. We are not professional athletes who train the same movement patterns over and over again every say to avoid such bad habits, therefore we should be more aware of how we are preparing ourselves for each lift.

I myself am no Olympic lifter and I cannot put straps on without my lower back rounding out due to a tight posterior chain. I am making the assumption that steedie is also not that flexible, given what I have seen on his form, and have made similar assumptions that his back rounding while getting down the bottom will be linked to a tight PC.

my understanding is if you have tight hamstrings/pc its very difficult to squat down to a level where you can put straps on without your butt tucking under and rounding your lower back. So much advice has been given on this forum highlighting butt tucking, rounding lower backs and a link to tight hamstrings.

If your lower back is rounded, how do you remove those forces without unloading the spine? Pulling it back straight is not the same thing.
 
Trust me: when you watch Klokov or whoever train with straps, you will see them straighten out pre-lift.

It isn't impossible at all and does not result in the Kstar tummy bulge (which, prior to that video, I had neither seen or experienced). It is merely an awareness of what your body is doing.

Sure, this improves with practice (as posted) and flexibility, but what are we doing this for?
 
Back to logging :D

Tuesday: Chest/Tris

Bench Press - 60kg x15x2, 80kg x10x2, 90kg x6
Incline Smith Press (3 second negatives) - 70kg x10, 80kg x8x2
Cable Crossovers - 30kg x12x2, 35kg x10
Chest Press - 65kg x12, 75kg x12x2 (Dropset of 40kg x20)
Cable Pulldowns - 15kg x15x3, 20kg x12
Overhead Extensions - 30kg x12x2
Cable Pushdowns - 25kg x12x3
 
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Back to logging :D

Tuesday: Chest/Tris

Bench Press - 60kg x15x2, 80kg x10x2, 90kg x6
Incline Smith Press (3 second negatives) - 70kg x10, 80kg x8x2
Cable Crossovers - 30kg x12x2, 35kg x10
Chest Press - 65kg x12, 75kg x12x2 (Dropset of 40kg x20)
Cable Pulldowns - 15kg x15x3, 20kg x12
Overhead Extensions - 30kg x12x2
Cable Pushdowns - 25kg x12x3
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What is this? Did you set up properly for the overhead extension? :mad: :cool:

I tried those yesterday: how do you do the with 30kg?!? :eek:
 
That feel when training with Rob. When I got there last night he said "Only got 3 exercises for quads tonight after the warmup, so nice and easy", I thought that sounded a bit too good to be true

Thursday: Quads/Calves

Leg Extensions - 30kg x12x3
Smith Squats Super Wide - Bar x12x2, 70kg x10, 90kg x10x2, 100kg x10x2
Smith Squats All Kinds of Narrow - 80kg x10x2
Leg Press 21s - 120kg x21, 160kg x21
Leg Press Plate Load - Torture, absolute torture
DB Split Squats (or Russian Lunges as Rob refers to them as) - 10kg x6, 18kg x6
Calf Raises - Lots

So Leg Press 21s at the time were the most painful things I've ever experienced for legs at that point. Like bicep 21s but with legs, and it hurts, lots! Even with light weights. But then we did a plate load, and that is definitely the most painful exercise I've ever done for legs. Was absolutely wrecked and felt sick the entire evening
 
Cheers brah, yeah it was brutal

For anyone wondering why we did smith squats, the movement we were doing with being super wide, feet slightly forward and keeping your hips back as far as you can, would have been ridiculous to do with a free bar. Would have probably fell on my arse more than once.

The narrow squats we could have done free weight, but while we were there, we just did them on the smith anyway
 
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