Junior Doctors Strikes

hurfdurf said:
Similar to class warfare. Not all war is a hot war with arms.

Economic warfare is a very real thing. The elderly should be stripped of asset hoarding, bedroom tax for anyone over 60+ living alone in a 3 bed house, or forced asset seizure to cover care home stays, for instance. Gently encourage the redistribution of wealth to the younger generations.
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Added to my ignore list!
 
Iron Man said:
Well as long as they get their pay increases I guess they won’t lose too much sleep over the people that died to get them.
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The general feeling was the place ran better without us (when I was a junior doctor involved in previous strikes) as the emergency work was done by consultants in large numbers. It does mean disruption to elective work however, but only if the Government let it.
 
Iron Man said:
Well as long as they get their pay increases I guess they won’t lose too much sleep over the people that died to get them.
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That's a really stupid comment.

If the doctors aren't being paid enough to stay in the profession how many people do you think will die then?
Especially as it'll take years to train any replacements, and good luck getting them when prospective staff look at what is being paid now before they've invested years of their lives and tens/hundreds of grand into the career and so know exactly how little the government values them
Oddly enough there aren't many millionaires who don't need an actual income that sign up to spend years training to work in medicine, and at the rate things are going they're likely to be the only people that can afford to work in medicine (either that or have a wealthy banker/lawyer/landlord as a spouse who doesn't mind paying for their training and supporting them financially for their entire career).

Doctors and nurses have basically had a huge pay cut over the last 15 years with constant below inflation increases in pay, at the same time everything they need to survive (let alone enjoy life) has gone up at least with inflation. When Nurses are using foodbanks and junior doctors aren't much better there is a massive problem with the level of pay vs the cost of maintaining a basic standard of living (especially if you might like the chance to have a kid at some point).

The reasons Doctors don't normally strike and nurses have basically never striked before is because they do care about their patients, and they know exactly how bad the situation is now, and how dangerous it is for patients at the current staffing levels before even more of them give up and go to work in a job with better pay, or better working conditions, let alone how bad it's going to get in a few years at the current rate if nothing changes for the better.
 
Werewolf said:
That's a really stupid comment.

If the doctors aren't being paid enough to stay in the profession how many people do you think will die then?
Especially as it'll take years to train any replacements, and good luck getting them when prospective staff look at what is being paid now before they've invested years of their lives and tens/hundreds of grand into the career and so know exactly how little the government values them
Oddly enough there aren't many millionaires who don't need an actual income that sign up to spend years training to work in medicine, and at the rate things are going they're likely to be the only people that can afford to work in medicine (either that or have a wealthy banker/lawyer/landlord as a spouse who doesn't mind paying for their training and supporting them financially for their entire career).

Doctors and nurses have basically had a huge pay cut over the last 15 years with constant below inflation increases in pay, at the same time everything they need to survive (let alone enjoy life) has gone up at least with inflation. When Nurses are using foodbanks and junior doctors aren't much better there is a massive problem with the level of pay vs the cost of maintaining a basic standard of living (especially if you might like the chance to have a kid at some point).

The reasons Doctors don't normally strike and nurses have basically never striked before is because they do care about their patients, and they know exactly how bad the situation is now, and how dangerous it is for patients at the current staffing levels before even more of them give up and go to work in a job with better pay, or better working conditions, let alone how bad it's going to get in a few years at the current rate if nothing changes for the better.
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Nicely summed up.
 
Don’t forget in that period tuition fees went mental so they are also coming out of uni with insane debt after an 5 year degree course. That’s a 9% pay cut on everything over £27k they earn for basically the rest of their working lives. The interest rate is 6.5% on what will be a >£70k loan which will grow by at least £4200 in the first year in interest.

To just cover the interest you need to earn £73k. A doctor will not reach that kind of salary to start clearing the interest until they reach a specialist grade which will not be for at least 4 years post graduate. By that point the loan will be in the £80k-90k range and they’ll need to earn >£77k to just cover the interest.

It’s absolutely crazy these people who were traditionally some of the highest paid in society will struggle to even clear their student loan in their career.
 
Werewolf said:
That's a really stupid comment.

If the doctors aren't being paid enough to stay in the profession how many people do you think will die then?
Especially as it'll take years to train any replacements, and good luck getting them when prospective staff look at what is being paid now before they've invested years of their lives and tens/hundreds of grand into the career and so know exactly how little the government values them
Oddly enough there aren't many millionaires who don't need an actual income that sign up to spend years training to work in medicine, and at the rate things are going they're likely to be the only people that can afford to work in medicine (either that or have a wealthy banker/lawyer/landlord as a spouse who doesn't mind paying for their training and supporting them financially for their entire career).

Doctors and nurses have basically had a huge pay cut over the last 15 years with constant below inflation increases in pay, at the same time everything they need to survive (let alone enjoy life) has gone up at least with inflation. When Nurses are using foodbanks and junior doctors aren't much better there is a massive problem with the level of pay vs the cost of maintaining a basic standard of living (especially if you might like the chance to have a kid at some point).

The reasons Doctors don't normally strike and nurses have basically never striked before is because they do care about their patients, and they know exactly how bad the situation is now, and how dangerous it is for patients at the current staffing levels before even more of them give up and go to work in a job with better pay, or better working conditions, let alone how bad it's going to get in a few years at the current rate if nothing changes for the better.
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Can’t be bothered to read your wall of text. Glad you put some thought into it after your insult though.
 
Werewolf said:
That's a really stupid comment.

If the doctors aren't being paid enough to stay in the profession how many people do you think will die then?
Especially as it'll take years to train any replacements, and good luck getting them when prospective staff look at what is being paid now before they've invested years of their lives and tens/hundreds of grand into the career and so know exactly how little the government values them
Oddly enough there aren't many millionaires who don't need an actual income that sign up to spend years training to work in medicine, and at the rate things are going they're likely to be the only people that can afford to work in medicine (either that or have a wealthy banker/lawyer/landlord as a spouse who doesn't mind paying for their training and supporting them financially for their entire career).

Doctors and nurses have basically had a huge pay cut over the last 15 years with constant below inflation increases in pay, at the same time everything they need to survive (let alone enjoy life) has gone up at least with inflation. When Nurses are using foodbanks and junior doctors aren't much better there is a massive problem with the level of pay vs the cost of maintaining a basic standard of living (especially if you might like the chance to have a kid at some point).

The reasons Doctors don't normally strike and nurses have basically never striked before is because they do care about their patients, and they know exactly how bad the situation is now, and how dangerous it is for patients at the current staffing levels before even more of them give up and go to work in a job with better pay, or better working conditions, let alone how bad it's going to get in a few years at the current rate if nothing changes for the better.
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I agree with everything you've said, but the section in red applies to the entire public sector, not just doctors and nurses.
 
jellybeard999 said:
I agree with everything you've said, but the section in red applies to the entire public sector, not just doctors and nurses.
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There are not many other public sector workers that require the level of education, the workload, the lack of work stability, the moving around the country regularly, the risk of losing everything (e.g. laptop gate), years of paid exams and fees, the lack of guaranteed future job, the stress, the hours, the shift patterns, the literal daily life and death responsibilities.

Some do of course. But let's not pretend it's the same as a school or council job.
 
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