Caporegime
I think they just need more doctors so at lower levels.
It will lower wages at the high end too when they progress.
It will lower wages at the high end too when they progress.
Junior Doctors Strikes
- Thread starter Dr House
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this is just a lack of understanding of the job.
What they need is a more efficient system where doctors are actually doing real doctor work and not just admin crap half of the day.
That’s what they should be using the PA’s for.
If you come into ED with a heart attack, stroke, sepsis. Do you want to be seen by a doctor or a PA with 2 years at PA school?
Caporegime
e: redact all, Siri.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Caporegime
Just replace doctors with AI so they have more time for the paperwork.
I've seen star trek all you need to do is say, please state the nature of the medical emergency.
I've seen star trek all you need to do is say, please state the nature of the medical emergency.
Don't be silly, of course you can and it's always been this way for medics, just now with less perks and tighter margins so no one wants to do the OT. You need more staff, not more money.
Both of us know the volume of opportunity for these higher bands are greatly reduced for nurses, don't try to fool yourself.
Mate, I remember in the 90's my mum preaching to my sister not to become a Dr due to the workload, stress, exploitation (and racism back then). You're either being willfully ignorant, or are extremely naive.
LOL
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Soldato
In response to your first point, the staff are simply not there. Recruitment has been a massive issue (largely because of working conditions). More staff will take years to train and even then with the situation as it is, you’d be crazy to consider medicine or nursing as a career in the UK. Staff retention either requires better working conditions (more staff, circular argument) or better pay as an incentive.
Your second point: These issues were terrible in the 90’s. Medical staff worked insane hours and quite frankly the care was appalling and it was dangerous. There were a few perks that allowed the staff to at least stay on site. Various cost cutting measures such as removing accommodation for doctors and nurses, provision of food and break spaces hasn’t helped. The increased number of doctors that have been trained over the last decade have been completely swallowed up by hideous shift rotas which require more staff to run. What doctors did have in the 90’s was a sense of team and belonging which has been completely destroyed and left the profession burnt out and dissatisfied. It’s amazing what a person is willing to do for a good team and the lack of incentives and perks were more than compensated for by this. There isn’t a lot of that left now for junior doctors rotating around on shift constantly.
Also in the 90’s an £88k consultant salary (the end goal) would have bought you the fancy house and car. Private practice was available and many took advantage at the expense of their NHS work (some whilst also on call in the NHS!). It’s a very different game now, and I can tell you that when I signed up 20 years ago that end point looked quite different to the current reality!
Anyway, rant over. Public sector workers need to be paid properly.
Caporegime
30 years ago.....
I truly hope the UK can sort itself out regarding the NHS but I just don't think it's ever going to happen.
Brits generally are too stupid to help themselves I dunno why, we ruled the world once.....
I truly hope the UK can sort itself out regarding the NHS but I just don't think it's ever going to happen.
Brits generally are too stupid to help themselves I dunno why, we ruled the world once.....
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Associate
the system is unsustainable for the people working in it and the people using it. The only way people will appreciate what they have unfortunately is for the system to fail. But it’s political suicide to scrap the NHS, so the govt is trying to force people to stop
Working for it and for people to
Stop Using it by the back door (suppressing salaries, investment, increasing waiting lists).
Why are salaries compared to international levels in other sectors of the economy, but when health care related salaries compared people are told, oh but this is NHS. Employees are not slaves as shown by the massive vacancies, other countries are gaining highly trained staff without having to train them! But like what we do to the third world, maybe that makes us the 2nd world?
Working for it and for people to
Stop Using it by the back door (suppressing salaries, investment, increasing waiting lists).
Why are salaries compared to international levels in other sectors of the economy, but when health care related salaries compared people are told, oh but this is NHS. Employees are not slaves as shown by the massive vacancies, other countries are gaining highly trained staff without having to train them! But like what we do to the third world, maybe that makes us the 2nd world?
Boomers got everything handed to them on a plate thanks to them post world war 2 socialism and then immediately wanted to pretend it was all purely their own hard work, so scrapped everything that helped them, and now blame the next generation for not being as hard working as them.
As such this country needs to die a death, or face generational warfare.
I genuinely love all these stories about boomers getting hurt and not receiving decent treatment, because they voted to underfund it time and time again.
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Soldato
This is why a lot only 1) work part time in the UK to keep prices high 2) Move to the USA lol.
What a load of ******* ********!
Caporegime
When people talk about "generational warfare" I always wonder what they're imagining? Like are you expecting people to take up arms against their grandmothers?
Pick a service or topic provided by the government. Council homes, student loans, transport, energy. All provided by the government to boomers growing up and easily accessible, not anymore.
Similar to class warfare. Not all war is a hot war with arms.
Economic warfare is a very real thing. The elderly should be stripped of asset hoarding, bedroom tax for anyone over 60+ living alone in a 3 bed house, or forced asset seizure to cover care home stays, for instance. Gently encourage the redistribution of wealth to the younger generations.
Caporegime
So you're expecting people to kick their grandmothers out of their home when their grandfather dies? That's your vision of the future?
Her generation didn’t build enough family homes so she should be taxed to make up for that if she insists on hoarding a family home she does not need, so we can finally build homes that future generations so desperately need.
Caporegime
And you think you can persuade enough people to throw their own parents and grandparents under the bus for this vision of yours to come to pass?
Whilst I don't agree with the idea of penalizing those who found it really easy to afford to get on the property ladder and got themselves a mortgage for 3.5x the average wage, compared to the 10x it is now and would much rather see young(er) people be given the same opportunities said generation had...
It shouldn't really need a great deal of pointing out that said generation were (and still are) MORE than happy to throw their kids and grandkids under the bus to maintain their cushy lives.
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