Junior Doctors Strikes

casper_uk said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Government recommends 3.5% pay rise for nurses and other workers

Nurses, teachers and police officers would get below inflation rises, under government proposals.
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3.5% pay rise from April, am sure that will satisfy everyone :cry:
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Let's see what comes out of the discussions now nurses have paused strike action. There is talk of backdating the April's pay award to last year but don't think 3.5% will cut it. Certainly won't for the junior doctors
 
Kill_Phil said:
Let's see what comes out of the discussions now nurses have paused strike action. There is talk of backdating the April's pay award to last year but don't think 3.5% will cut it. Certainly won't for the junior doctors
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I don't think it'll wash with the JDs when you see the Welsh DDRB recommended 4.5% and they negotiated more and an agreement to restore pay to 2008 equivalent levels.
 
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jon86 said:
I think that the "national average" is too low, given the crazy cost of living increases in recent years.
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The inequality in pay between top earners and the bottom is the biggest it has been since WW1 and only America are worse out of the developed west.

There are most likely Eastern European countries with better standards than the vast majority of people in the UK. I love my country but for the first time in my life I am looking to retire outside of this country.

I hope for all these public sector strikes do work because then it will trickle down to the private sector.
 
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dLockers said:
It is an unpopular opinion of mine that I put on this forum a while back. The usage of food banks is directly correlated to people who have no issue in using food banks.

If my late father was still alive, he would be first in the queue. Anything to save a buck to get precisely the same product.
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I'm wondering why the SC army have not eviscerated you for this comment.
 
adam cool dude said:
The inequality in pay between top earners and the bottom is the biggest it has been since WW1 and only America are worse out of the developed west.

There are most likely Eastern European countries with better standards than the vast majority of people in the UK. I love my country but for the first time in my life I am looking to retire outside of this country.

I hope for all these public sector strikes do work because then it will trickle down to the private sector.
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It is a shame how many people bootlick shareholders.
 
adam cool dude said:
The inequality in pay between top earners and the bottom is the biggest it has been since WW1 and only America are worse out of the developed west.

There are most likely Eastern European countries with better standards than the vast majority of people in the UK. I love my country but for the first time in my life I am looking to retire outside of this country.

I hope for all these public sector strikes do work because then it will trickle down to the private sector.
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There definitely isn't better standards in Eastern Europe compared to the UK, we really do have it very damn good compared to the majority.
 
Begbie said:
There definitely isn't better standards in Eastern Europe compared to the UK, we really do have it very damn good compared to the majority.
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Well, that really depends how much money you have. For those at thh bottom standards are rapidly falling below our eastern peers.

www.ft.com

Britain and the US are poor societies with some very rich people

When it comes to average household incomes, the UK may soon need to ask migrant labourers to take a pay cut
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Begbie said:
Don't pay for FT sadly.
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Britain is a different story. While the top earners rank fifth, the average household ranks 12th and the poorest 5 per cent rank 15th. Far from simply losing touch with their western European peers, last year the lowest-earning bracket of British households had a standard of living that was 20 per cent weaker than their counterparts in Slovenia.
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It’s a similar story in the middle. In 2007, the average UK household was 8 per cent worse off than its peers in north-western Europe, but the deficit has since ballooned to a record 20 per cent. On present trends, the average Slovenian household will be better off than its British counterpart by 2024, and the average Polish family will move ahead before the end of the decade. A country in desperate need of migrant labour may soon have to ask new arrivals to take a pay cut.
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tamzzy said:
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I haven't looked at the original stats, but do know that Slovenia has a very low Gini coefficient, implying a fairly flat distribution across deciles.

If I can be bothered, I will look through the OECD stats later today- I'm very surprised at the Poland stat, too, given the huge disparity between average incomes between UK and Poland. I suspect some cherry picking there.
 
@potatolord
looks like it's also being borne out in the NHS: https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-crisis-why-are-so-many-staff-leaving-the-health-service-12812473

In 2010, a UK medical specialist moving to South Korea would typically see their income fall (in terms of purchasing power) by around 5%, according to OECD data. As of 2020, by contrast, they can expect a pay rise of 25%.

Similarly, a nurse moving to Iceland would previously have taken a 13% pay cut, but is now likely to see a 43% bump to their salary.

The same dynamic is likely to play into foreign healthcare workers’ decisions about relocating to the UK. In 2010, a nurse coming to the UK from Slovenia could expect a 37% boost to their living standards. As of 2020, they would earn 4% more by staying put.
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Minstadave said:
Time to go look at jobs in Aus I think. Pretty decent time for us to take the leap. I have no faith things will improve materially in the next few years.
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I know plenty who have jumped ship. If I wasn't so invested at the practice I'd be out in a heartbeat. Anyone graduating now, I'd say do the minimum required here to be eligible for applying abroad and get out. As you said, nothing remotely in the horizon to suggest there is any genuine interest from our government to change things.
 
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tamzzy said:
@potatolord
looks like it's also being borne out in the NHS: https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-crisis-why-are-so-many-staff-leaving-the-health-service-12812473
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Fair enough, but life is frankly too short for me to do a multi year comparison of professional incomes relative to PPP, for fun.

I would expect that, as other countries' economies grow relative to the UK, that salaries and incentives to move would change over time.

I imagine this will lead to the reversal of the Uk's traditional ability to poach overseas trained staff and retain its own trained staff. This point was always going to come, and I am not sure if there is any plan for how to deal with that. My guess is "not"...
 
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