Junior Doctors Strikes

I think they will take it and expect strong negotiations in 1.5 years time for the next pay award. 35% in one go was never going to happen.
 
Has there been any mention of where the funding comes from? 22% is a sizeable cost, I know RR was looking to can a number of projects (i.e. road under Stonehenge) which might provide the funding for these pay increases.
 
Imagine a 22% wage for someone whos basically training on the job under supervision...


everyone else above them will want a wage rise next

2 is really 22%? or 22% + increased pension contributions paid by the nhs....


20bn black hole.... going to be about 100bn at this rate
 
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Semple said:
Has there been any mention of where the funding comes from? 22% is a sizeable cost, I know RR was looking to can a number of projects (i.e. road under Stonehenge) which might provide the funding for these pay increases.
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As I recall, a balance of costs assessment on paying NHS staff found that the strikes were costing more than meeting pay demands would. Not sure of the detail on that but I'm not sure it really needs all that much funding. Estimating based on the number of junior doctors (75k) and the average salary (£55.4), I guess this will cost £0.3bn in the first year and £0.6bn in the second. Accounting for the fact that most of it will be subject to 40% tax so it will come back to the treasury anyway. It doesn't seem implausible that NHS strikes are costing the treasury more than £0.6bn to me.
 
arknor said:
Imagine a 22% wage for someone whos basically training on the job under supervision...


everyone else above them will want a wage rise next
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There only grade above junior doctor is consultant. Junior doctor is a terrible term, you can be very experienced (10 years post grad) and still be a junior doctor.

As an ST8 I was a JD but certainly wasn't basically training under supervision. I'd run a Paediatric Cardiac ICU or Neonatal ICU with a consultant at home.
 
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Imagine a 22% wage for someone whos basically training on the job under supervision...
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It's slightly embarrassing that at this point in the threat you're unaware of what a "Junior" doctor is.

A "Junior" Doctor can be a single job opening away from being a consultant...
It's basically any fully trained doctor who has not applied for a specific job title, you can have spent 10 years as a fully trained doctor and still be a "junior".
IIRC you can be a "junior doctor" with 10+ years of experience on the job and the only thing that is stopping you being a consultant is a lack of consultant jpbs, or that the doctor doesn't want to move to a consultancy at this time.
 
Murphy said:
Sure is, however 22% over three years ain't exactly great. It's only 2% more than what the private sector have been getting for the last 3-4 years.
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The private sector do not have standardised pay rates. You need to be more explicit. What part of the private sector?
 
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