Junior Doctors Strikes

OpenToSuggestions said:
As I write this I am on Discord chatting to a family member who became an NHS consultant last month.
He says that the Drs are still angry about poor pay rises since 2008 and the average age of a Junior Dr is ~31, which means they were in primary school at the time.
He says the whole idea of them striking is ridiculous, but he gets over £180 per hour to cover the strikes if he wants (£250 per hour on nights).

I haven't fact checked the above, I am simply sharing the opinion of someone who has lived it.
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Both bits of what you sar are true. Some of the residents striking want pay restoring to before they were qualified.

Rates are roughly correct, but only if you are covering on a day off. If you dont do your normal work to cover strikes thats deducted from your pay as are breaks. Honestly I think those rates are cheap. A plumber at short notice at night will charge similar or more, plus youre cancelled if the resident turns up.
 
A nightime side-gig paying £250/hr the Tate brothers will be after your number.

Wes just needs to call their bluff, doctors are mostly/30% expatting to nz/oz because they are english speaking , but I've not seen data on how long they genuinely stay,
since it's a long way from friends and family reciprocal visits.
Southern Europe is much more tolerable in that respect but they aren't going to be bilingual at the required standard in less than a year.
 
jpaul said:
A nightime side-gig paying £250/hr the Tate brothers will be after your number.

Wes just needs to call their bluff, doctors are mostly/30% expatting to nz/oz because they are english speaking , but I've not seen data on how long they genuinely stay,
since it's a long way from friends and family reciprocal visits.
Southern Europe is much more tolerable in that respect but they aren't going to be bilingual at the required standard in less than a year.
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Wes can't call their bluff, the pay they lose during the strikes is easily made up by locums. This could go on for ages like last time.
 
jpaul said:
Wes just needs to call their bluff, doctors are mostly/30% expatting to nz/oz because they are english speaking , but I've not seen data on how long they genuinely stay,
since it's a long way from friends and family reciprocal visits.
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They can come back once they get the experience for higher paying roles. UK salaries for GPs and specialists compare fairly well to comparable European countries. It's only Residents that seem substantially underpaid.
 
Minstadave said:
Wes can't call their bluff, the pay they lose during the strikes is easily made up by locums. This could go on for ages like last time.
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Could they introduce it via individual performance related pay, or, like my misconception of civil services is it based on a years of service gravy train;
in the private sector the bosses rank their subordinates and doll out the allocated money pot (kpas etc)
 
jpaul said:
Could they introduce it via individual performance related pay, or, like my misconception of civil services is it based on a years of service gravy train;
in the private sector the bosses rank their subordinates and doll out the allocated money pot (kpas etc)
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Many private sector businesses don't have performance related pay rises and just pay 'market rate' for their industry.

Likewise the civil service doesn't increase pay based on time served and hasn't done for almost a couple of decades at this point (ironically the NHS still do). Please check your facts and stop posting misinforamtion.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Many private sector businesses don't have performance related pay rises and just pay 'market rate' for their industry.

Likewise the civil service doesn't increase pay based on time served and hasn't done for almost a couple of decades at this point (ironically the NHS still do). Please check your facts and stop posting misinforamtion.
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All USA high tech industries I've been involved in have performance related pay - which industries don't ?
I predicated I didn't know about civil service - using plain english afaik.
 
Why do you make something up about the civil service if you didn’t know about it. :confused: :confused:

It’s not an industry thing, it’s down to the individual employer.
 
What's this nonsense about calling their bluff?

Their pay has been hammered for years and, according to a BMA survey:
a third of all resident doctor respondents had no role secured from August. For FY2s alone, 52% said they didn’t have any planned substantive employment or regular locum work.
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It's laughable people talk about 'bluff'. People were banging pans for them not so long ago when they were already stretched and went above and beyond during the pandemic.

People need to get perspective, show respect and gratitude where it's due.

Money filters up from other areas of our country to the pockets of people that don't deserve it, focus on getting that sorted and put it in areas of our society that are actually useful.

Short memories and short sighted.
 
Mr Jack said:
They can come back once they get the experience for higher paying roles. UK salaries for GPs and specialists compare fairly well to comparable European countries. It's only Residents that seem substantially underpaid.
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Theres few GP/Consultant posts going these days between hospital hiring freezes and a drive to replace GPs with anybody else regardless of efficiency or safety (whilst ongoing mass recruitment into GP training from overseas - this makes no sense to me).

More and more we're getting fully qualified GPs doing SHO locums as they cant find work.
 
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jpaul said:
All USA high tech industries I've been involved in have performance related pay - which industries don't ?
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Industries don't have performance related pay, individual employers do. The US uses it more than other countries, but it's increasingly understood to be a bad practice that undermines team cohesion and pushes workers to concentrate on self promotion instead of the work they should be doing.

It's just not possible to accurately assess performance in all but the simplest of jobs. Not to mention the inevitable problems with bias among those responsible for assessment.
 
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