So the health system doesn't keep people alive who have had health problems that would have killed them years ago from premature babies to old age and everyone in between?
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People are living longer throughout the world, its not unique to the NHS. The NHS is far more cutthroat than most healthcare systems witb denying treatment to the elderly to be honest. In COVID we were gearing up to set up panels to guide who gets treatment where as the US and some European countries don't get that logic at all, if you can pay you can have anything you want, no matter how futile.
The bigger problem is how we fund care for the elderly who are living longer.
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Medicine helps keep people alive. Shocker.
It's a success story.
As was alluded to, premature babies would die from natural causes unless there's intervention. Would you argue the same about that.
If people want to pay there's nothing stopping them. They can go private. Mind you if a major problem occurs they'll be whisking you to an NHS hospital anyway.
The key word there I said was "old people"
Hey, Im not here complaining about "WHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA.........I cant get an appointment because its full coffin dodgers....WHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA"
Exactly point.....you cant! Either work till the day you die or you get taxed to high heavens.
The NHS hasn't scaled enough to adapted for old people living longer. Its running on the old system where life expectancy was late 60's. Now we have people retiring in their late 60's and living for another 20 to 30 years. They are not paying anything into the system past that point and you cant get the extra money from their protected pensions.
Most people would go private but they cant because they cant afford to. That shouldn't be a "we" problem.
For the record, I go private myself but I also don't abuse my body with smoking, vaping, over eating and alcohol consumption.
I keep on top of my health and fitness while most people dont.
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There are plenty of older people who hardly use the NHS and then again there are plenty of young to middle age that use far more resources that some of the old. The NHS treats everyone not just the old.
I'm 73, I don't overeat but enjoy two or so alcoholic drinks per week. I weigh 68kg at 1.8m tall. I also pay £3k income tax and not likely to ever pay less.
Not sure what taxed to high heavens means in real terms to you.
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What's most people are complaining right now about who are at working age? They are not paying enough taxes and want to pay more ?!?!?
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AFAIK there is no upper or lower age limit to tax. There is to NI but I would be fine making pensioners who are in work pay NI as for any other employee.
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Did an old person hurt your feelings or something?
Yes, my son gets called to the regularsand then you got people like this
and then you got people like this
Problem with people like that is they're absolutely clueless as to how much an ambulance dispatch would cost, along with whatever else he's had done at hospital. I haven't got a clue how much that would cost, but 150 instances has to have racked up over a million £ in waste. The NHS should be empowered to seek recovery of funds from time wasters like that.
I remember watching some of the 999/Ambulance documentaries, and there's several instances of mentally unwell people who regularly call out for an ambulance, and the crew just know when they turn up that it'll be a waste of time, but unfortunately they have to act on the call as if it was genuine.
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To be fair, a lot of GP appointments aren't face to face anymore, so what does it matter if the doctor is calling from Basingstoke or Bangalore?As if letting any bugger play with a vague medical background play GP in the UK wasn't enough it looks like the plan is to farm out GP appointments overseas now:
#primarycare #nhs #innovation | Julian Titz | 21 comments
⚡ NHS England's 10 Year Plan recommended the workforce model we're building at Asterix Health ⚡ Here's what they had to say: " – , . , / ." The problem is clear: Workforce is stuck in a paradox. • GPs are overworked, cutting NHS sessions and 2/3 consider moving...www.linkedin.com
May as well just set up a ChatGPT bot farm fielding patients calls at this point.
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Doctors work for a monopoly employer - A monopolist abusing its position, not good, should not be a monopoly then, right?
indeed. it is.
£60k is just for the ambulance call-out alone.
not to mention the A+E assessment, and most of the time, they would get referred on to general medicine for further assessment...because you know... "chest pain", and by this time the answers got so good that you have to treat it as the real thing until proven otherwise
the hospital assessment in total would probably cost about £600
so lets say £1000 x 150 = £150,000 just to avoid having a tiff with the missus...that's coming out of our collective pay packet
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UK national debt = £2.9tn
Annual interest payment on national debt = £105bn
Annual cost of NHS = £205bn
Any ideas on how to improve the NHS without spending a shed load more money as the country is a bit broke?
Annual interest payment on national debt = £105bn
Annual cost of NHS = £205bn
Any ideas on how to improve the NHS without spending a shed load more money as the country is a bit broke?
Yep, like most public services, sell it off and privatise it
I can't wait for that pay rise
Get rid of any diversity managers and such nonsense and hire/promote on merit.
This is untrue.
Disease management is what it is and this does not only affect the old but the young as well.
Health care is a business people forget this and they receive a lot of money from parties which do not want people health.
In regard to junior doctors they are salary based and contracted hours a lot of misinformation being spread around about how the system works.
This country is generous when it comes to this side of things in place like the US you almost end up living in the hospital they force you to work so many hours with far larger debts.
In Asia you are a slave to the state.
People know full well what they are getting into when they choose a path to get into this system yet want to cry about it once they have gone through it.
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