Just because new shiny hits doesn't mean we all have to upgrade

[new boy]

Eek I am afraid now lol. So def worth trying on my own rather than getting someone a bit more qualified?

That wasn't the impression I was trying to give.

Its super easy. Its also easy to forget a step or two, and have to work out what you forgot to do lol.

Defiantly don't pay someone to do it if you are even slightly DIY inclined.

It took me an hour to change my mates motherboard, CPU, RAM and PSU and that included a cup of tea, two fag breaks and messing up the on off jumpers and having to change them around 3 times because I was too lazy to google the manual so I was guessing lol.

 

[Nevakonaza]

I'm still very happy with my i7 3770K,i don't even have it Overclocked either..been stock since the day i bought it..there just isn't any need to overclock it,Still blasts through everything i need it to do,I can see me getting another 2+ years from it easy.

 

[jjgreenwood]

These threads are getting a bit odd. It's been the case for years now that if you have a modern intel processor then for most people there is no need to upgrade. It's not really any surprise that skylake is no different.

Saying devils canyon is a better chip is wrong though. Once the retailers are actually competing on price then it will be far cheaper than building an x99 system.

All new hardware is too expensive for what it is at release, not sure why people expect skylake to be any different.

 

[easyrider]

These threads are getting a bit odd. It's been the case for years now that if you have a modern intel processor then for most people there is no need to upgrade. It's not really any surprise that skylake is no different.

Saying devils canyon is a better chip is wrong though. Once the retailers are actually competing on price then it will be far cheaper than building an x99 system.

All new hardware is too expensive for what it is at release, not sure why people expect skylake to be any different.

Will it?

Most people upgrading already have DDR3 and if you're a couple of gens behind then why buy into skylake?

If you need to buy DDR 4 for a new build then 5820k is where it's at period.

200 quid on a 6600k makes no sense...

Skylake is odd...its in a rock and a hard place...to expensive for 4790k upgraders and only 5% increase .

Or if you have an gen 2 i7 then you either jump to x99 or keep your ram and get a cheap mobo and plop a 4790k in.

 

[new boy]

Pro tip.

If your one who upgrades while there is still value in your old CPUs, then the best CPU for a socket always seems to hold more value than it should judging by its performance (IMO)

 

[MadMouse101]

No upgrade for me, I'm going stay with my good old I7 950 @3.8, Going to order a sata 3 and a USB 3 cards soon.

 

[jjgreenwood]

Will it?

Most people upgrading already have DDR3 and if you're a couple of gens behind then why buy into skylake?

If you need to buy DDR 4 for a new build then 5820k is where it's at period.

200 quid on a 6600k makes no sense...

Skylake is odd...its in a rock and a hard place...to expensive for 4790k upgraders and only 5% increase .

Or if you have an gen 2 i7 then you either jump to x99 or keep your ram and get a cheap mobo and plop a 4790k in.

if you have existing kit that's working there is not much point in replacing it at all unless there is something specific you need it to do for for work.

If we are talking about gaming which seems to be much of the conversation and your stuff breaks then you may as well go 6600k. It is going to drive your FPS through whatever screen you have faster than anything else. Unless you are streaming at the same time i7 is pointless as more than 4 cores won't be used and with dx12 processor load will decrease making it even more pointless. At least the platform gives you everything needed for a fast hard drive, sli and quick memory.

X99 is great if you just want to have the most powerful stuff, which I completely get. It is more expensive though, and it isn't going to push that 144hz monitor as well as the guy with the new i5.

If you buy the cheap Z97 setup then you have old memory, no option for super fast storage, a worse chip, slower motherboard and ultimately you won't have saved much money because if you shop around z170 is competitive.

 

[easyrider]

if you have existing kit that's working there is not much point in replacing it at all unless there is something specific you need it to do for for work.

Like more FPS?

If we are talking about gaming which seems to be much of the conversation and your stuff breaks then you may as well go 6600k. It is going to drive your FPS through whatever screen you have faster than anything else. Unless you are streaming at the same time i7 is pointless as more than 4 cores won't be used and with dx12 processor load will decrease making it even more pointless. At least the platform gives you everything needed for a fast hard drive, sli and quick memory.

Eh?

X99 is great if you just want to have the most powerful stuff, which I completely get. It is more expensive though, and it isn't going to push that 144hz monitor as well as the guy with the new i5.

You've just contradicted yourself...You just said 6600K was fastest?

If you buy the cheap Z97 setup then you have old memory, no option for super fast storage, a worse chip, slower motherboard and ultimately you won't have saved much money because if you shop around z170 is competitive.

DDR3 makes no difference at this moment in time. Its marketing spin

I have tested DDR4 and DDR3 with a 5930k and 4970K at the same clock speed.

 

[jjgreenwood]

Like more FPS?



Eh?



You've just contradicted yourself...You just said 6600K was fastest?



DDR3 makes no difference at this moment in time. Its marketing spin

I have tested DDR4 and DDR3 with a 5930k and 4970K at the same clock speed.

6600k is the fastest for gaming which thrives on single thread performance, I think you know what I was getting at

I think the biggest contradiction in this thread is saying that you may as well spend the extra on X99 on one hand, and then stating that if you don't you may as well save a few quid and go for z97/i7. Neither of those options are going to give you the best performance or the biggest bang for buck for gaming.

Regardless of what is sensible or not many will like to have a 6 core chip

 

[easyrider]

6600k is the fastest for gaming which thrives on single thread performance, I think you know what I was getting at

I think the biggest contradiction in this thread is saying that you may as well spend the extra on X99 on one hand, and then stating that if you don't you may as well save a few quid and go for z97/i7. Neither of those options are going to give you the best performance or the biggest bang for buck for gaming.

Regardless of what is sensible or not many will like to have a 6 core chip

The difference is about 40 quid between x99 and going skylake


Plus your post makes no sense .

EDIT: in fact your post is BS

 

[harz_marz]

That wasn't the impression I was trying to give.

Its super easy. Its also easy to forget a step or two, and have to work out what you forgot to do lol.

Defiantly don't pay someone to do it if you are even slightly DIY inclined.

It took me an hour to change my mates motherboard, CPU, RAM and PSU and that included a cup of tea, two fag breaks and messing up the on off jumpers and having to change them around 3 times because I was too lazy to google the manual so I was guessing lol.

Great to know, thanks! This forum has been so helpful!

 

[BornEvil]

I would still buy a devils canyon i5 for a new gaming build now. Do you think they will reduce in price due to the newer processors? I don't see any drops at the minute.

I paid £185.99 for my 6600K, only £6 more than a new 4690K. This I see as a realistic price for the current market. Lets compare the Asus Z170-P and the Asus Z97-P. Practically the same board with a £14 premium for LGA1151.

In the case of DDR3 vs DDR4, I would go DDR4 for resell value, with the premium of about £30 for a 16gb kit. If you already have 8GB DDR3 kit, then in all likelihood, you already have a capable rig of Sandybridge+, which makes a Skylake upgrade pointless let alone DC.

You might have a case if the 4690K was bought second hand on MM, but that is a whole different matter.

Total premium of £50 for going 6600K DDR4 vs 4690K DDR3. Why someone go a DC i5 over a SL i5 is beyond me.

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Sorry to go off topic slightly but in hindsight, I paid £160 for a 4690K in January but returned it because the boost in performance coming from a 2500K @4.6 was meh... I have not benched my 6600K @4.6 much yet but initial feeling is also the same meh...

As many have said the current i7 Skylake price is a joke! and I stayed well clear. My realistic price for a 6700K would be £260, i.e. 4790K's current price.

Skylake is here to replace Haswell. Haswell is EOL, but might be a bit slower because of the transition from DDR3.

It's the same old, Sandy owners lol'ed Ivybridge, Ivy owners slated Haswell, and the cycle continues. Skylake is the chip for the mainstream and is here to stay.

IMHO, right now is the worse time to upgrade to anything unless your on a Pre-2010 rig. Do it when Skylake drops in price to DC levels.

We should really make a Sandybridge appreciation thread

 

[easyrider]

Intel Core i5-6600K 3.9GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail

Asus Maximus VIII Gene Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard

TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £473.57

Intel 5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail

Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99

TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £537.56

64 quid more for 6 core and 12 threads why anyone if buying new now,and wanting new DDR4 would not go 5820k is beyond me.

 

[easyrider]

In the case of DDR3 vs DDR4, I would go DDR4 for resell value, with the premium of about £30 for a 16gb kit. If you already have 8GB DDR3 kit, then in all likelihood, you already have a capable rig of Sandybridge+, which makes a Skylake upgrade pointless let alone

Sandy to a 4790k and an cheap z97 and keeping your DDR 3 would make sense.

I don't get this resale stuff tbh... You buy the fastest your budget allows.

My path is cheaper and stonks a 6600k for less

 

[DarrenM343]

My last upgrade was from an i5-750 to an i7 3770k and there was no change in the one gaming benchmark I did at the time. I didn't do any other comparisons. I am using more VM's these days which I'd expect to be better with the i7. I did intend to go Haswell-E but before doing so just thought the 3770K still performs brilliantly in everything I do. Running two VM's is no problem at all. It's had a safe overclock applied since new (to 4.1Ghz) and continues to be completely stable. I might just build a new machine next year with the current -E available then (Skylake -E?) and keep the old 3770K as a second PC - maybe for Linux

Although we can be sad that the advances being made are not big, we can't be too sad as the hardware we have today generally is very advanced. Windows 8,8.1 and 10 all run as well as each other on even 3-4 year old hardware. This was not the case some years ago when a new OS usually meant a new CPU,memory and hard disk drive - thinking back notably to windows 95-98, Win2k etc. I remember the long periods of nothing while waiting for the hard disk to catch up, and things taking a while to invoke even with top end hardware - or at least what was top end just a year earlier.

There had to come a time where advances being made would be slower.

 

[HalfBakedJake]

I will be upgrading to sky lake but I am on an Amd Phenom II x6 1090t black and the PCI lanes are holding me back

 

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[jjgreenwood]

Intel Core i5-6600K 3.9GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail

Asus Maximus VIII Gene Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard

TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £473.57

Intel 5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail

Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99

TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £537.56

64 quid more for 6 core and 12 threads why anyone if buying new now,and wanting new DDR4 would not go 5820k is beyond me.

Most people will buy ATX:
6600k & Asus z170a & 16gb Corsair LPX 2400 = £416.93
5820k & Asus x99a & 16gb Corsair LPX 2400 = £633.92

 

[BornEvil]

Intel Core i5-6600K 3.9GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail

Asus Maximus VIII Gene Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard

TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £473.57

Intel 5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail

Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99

TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £537.56

64 quid more for 6 core and 12 threads why anyone if buying new now,and wanting new DDR4 would not go 5820k is beyond me.

As picked up by many, you decided to put an expensive feature full Z170 motherboard vs a lowest end X99 board just to try boost your point.

The most equivalent board is the £113.99 Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI vs Gigabyte X99-SLI

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Intel Core i5-6600K 3.9GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard
TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £417.56

VS

Intel 5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail
Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard
TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black

Total : £537.56

And that is OcUK pricing, shop around and you can get the i5 kit for £20-30 less.

£120-140 quid more for 6 core and 12 threads, some may say worth it some may not. As MSTRBKR said, why spend that £120 if you don't need it.

£537.56 is a good price for the 5820K, but it is only made possible with the recent big price cuts at OcUK (and fair play to them)

Sandy to a 4790k and an cheap z97 and keeping your DDR 3 would make sense.

I don't get this resale stuff tbh... You buy the fastest your budget allows.

My path is cheaper and stonks a 6600k for less

you tried selling DDR2? completely worthless now , You talk about reusing DDR3 a lot, but DDR4 can be used for future builds, its not just the case of resell value, but also reuse value.

of cause the 4790K will stonk a 6600K, but cheaper?

I have already made the case about the the Asus Z170-P and the Asus Z97-P. Practically the same board with a £14 premium for LGA1151.

4790K £260 (on offer right now), vs a 6600K for £186 (cheapest possible).

 

[Telecaster]

Upgraded to Z97 and a 4690k about 2 months ago, someone said it was a foolish move with Broadwell and Skylake around the corner, glad I took the plunge as the CPU was £160 at the time, I now have what I think is a decent spec that should last me until we see real progress.