Just been assaulted...

[Bar]

There is a very simple way to reduce this sort of behaviour on the streets of Britain.

Local police walking the streets with dogs. There is more than enough money available to provide an appropriate amount in the towns and cities of the uk. A dog is a great force multiplier and most people think twice. The ultimate reason is that this kind of presence stops trouble before it starts.

 

[Cueball]

Amazing really because 99% of Europe manage to drink responsibily (sp), why not britains?

This is because 99% of Europe have police officers who are not only armed, but also who are not affraid to hit first and ask questions later.

Europe doesn't have a chav problem because the justice system is very efficient at removing them from society and making it unfavourable for them to conduct their criminal activities.

In Britain, we have no such efficiency, no such officers.

chav groups would suddenly start carrying themselves, then you have the unexperienced and stupid with guns just to beat / get away from the officially licensed carriers.

i would prefer that wasnt the case myself.

Then let's take a leaf out of WWI books - line up the chavs and shoot them by firing squad.

 

[Luke15]

ityutyh

 

[Gilly]

However i ask myself this question almost daily. This is one of the main reasons I dont go out into town. Theres always the same old drunken crowds of people causing trouble, looking for fights, and it always happens!

If this is happening for a lot of you it must be the areas you live/frequent.

I can't remember the last time I saw any decent amount of trouble. The odd scuffle here and there over a bird or a spilled pint, but generally nothing more than a few pushes.

Seriously though, I've not had any trouble on a night out for maybe 7 or 8 years except that which was my own making really, and I can't remember seeing any for ages.

 

[Amps]

This is because 99% of Europe have police officers who are not only armed, but also who are not affraid to hit first and ask questions later.

Europe doesn't have a chav problem because the justice system is very efficient at removing them from society and making it unfavourable for them to conduct their criminal activities.

In Britain, we have no such efficiency, no such officers.

I agree with this statement.

All you have to do is look at the police in France , Spain , Portugal they carry large rigid batons which mean business.

Take for example the French traffic police i saw one directing traffic with one of these large batons. (You can imagine what happens if you don’t obey them (Whack to the bonnet of your car , big dent).

 

[Stretch]

You don't need to leave the country. You just need to move to a less scummy part of it. All countries have these problems in certain areas. Unless you can afford to live in a nice area its just part of life I'm afraid.

 

[VIRII]

Well you were in St Albans, getting assuled is nothing in comparison to other things that go on

Meaning what? I got out to St Albans occasionaly of an evening and never get any trouble at all.

 

[dirtydog]

You don't need to leave the country. You just need to move to a less scummy part of it. All countries have these problems in certain areas. Unless you can afford to live in a nice area its just part of life I'm afraid.

Even in nice areas you're not immune from trouble - what about Abigail Witchalls who was nearly killed in broad daylight on a rich private estate in Surrey?

 

[VIRII]

If this is happening for a lot of you it must be the areas you live/frequent.

I think it is more of an age group thing to be honest. St Albans is a very expensive well heeled part of England. However there are incidents like this happening there, sometimes by local youths and sometimes by people who go there because they know most of the people there will have a fair bit of cash on them.

Here is a little bit of demographic info on St Albans :
http://www.mouseprice.com/property-stats/st-albans/st.-albans-property-al1-2.aspx

 

[PikeyPriest]

To be honest there should be a shift towards police having more power to arrest people who are causing a disturbance. If they are over 12, IMO it is fine to haul them to the floor and arrest them and if they resist to use the baton. Theres a video of a US cop using the baton on a guy after he runs up to a policeman and swears at him. In the UK that just doesnt happen. Police should intimidate anyone who is breaking the law or being disrespectful.

I think it is a culture being bought about by largely bad parenting. When i worked at a toy shop we caught 2 boys stealing. When the mother came in all she did was threaten us with legal action, say there is no evidence...etc. When we explained that 3 staff saw it, it was on 2 CCTV cameras and the boys were picked up outside the shop by security with the stolen items she still thought we were in the wrong for stopping them . My mum would have probably tried to kill me for doing this kind of stuff.

 

[Gilly]

I think it is more of an age group thing to be honest.

Thats possibly the case I suppose. Though seeing less trouble now than 10 years ago is certainly something that has happened with me.

I suppose I get less trouble now as I may look slightly thuggish.

 

[Stretch]

Even in nice areas you're not immune from trouble - what about Abigail Witchalls who was nearly killed in broad daylight on a rich private estate in Surrey?

It happens, but very rarely. Nothing's perfect but some places are much better than others. You just need to look at the crime figures to see this.

 

[Oliver]

It's a myth that the elderly are the most vulnerable, the people most likely to get attacked are young males...so basically the majority of this forum!

 

[Gilly]

It's a myth that the elderly are the most vulnerable, the people most likely to get attacked are young males...so basically the majority of this forum!

Most vulnerable and most likely to be attacked are different things though.

 

[VIRII]

Thats possibly the case I suppose. Though seeing less trouble now than 10 years ago is certainly something that has happened with me.

I suppose I get less trouble now as I may look slightly thuggish.

I used to look very "thuggish" in the 80's / 90's and i had a shed load of fights and a fair few trips to casualty. However I think it was an age thing (and a drinking too much thing).

Now I am somewhat less thuggish looking (although of a reasonable size, need to cut down on the pies lol) but older and I don't even seem to pick up on the radar of 18-20 somethings who are looking for trouble.

I think it's all about alpha male posturing in your teens and early 20's and by the time you're mid thirties or beyond you're not in the game anymore.

 

[Oliver]

Maybe you could learn a thing or two from this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiEsktRiCXo&search=Bas Rutten

pmsl! That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time

 

[Oliver]

Most vulnerable and most likely to be attacked are different things though.

Yeah but what does it matter if you're vulnerable if you're less likely to get attacked? If a group of youths beat up an old person or a teenager they're both likely to be seriously hurt.

 

[Gilly]

I think it's all about alpha male posturing in your teens and early 20's and by the time you're mid thirties or beyond you're not in the game anymore.

I must look a fair bit older than my mere 25 years then

Yeah but what does it matter if you're vulnerable if you're less likely to get attacked? If a group of youths beat up an old person or a teenager they're both likely to be seriously hurt.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just pointing out something in your post.

Young males are most likely to be attacked because a) they're likely to have stuff worth taking. Cash, cards, phone, etc. and b) they're more likely to be walking on their own at night. That doesn't stop OAPs being more vulnerable.

 

[Slinwagh]

I know that some people are going to disagree with what I say but here goes.....

How many of these little scrotes have got away with assaulting people becasue 9/10 they know that the other person isn't going to defend himself.

Last year a group of teenagers 18 ish, half a dozen of them, decided they were going to use my wifes £30,000 Audi as a climbing frame.

I went out and politely asked them to stop at this point one of them decided he was the big hard man and gave me a load of abuse and threats about what he was going to do, I stepped forward he raised his hand and without question I put him on his behind.

At this point he blubbed like a two year old and surprise surprise his mates weren't too keen on getting stuck in. I have never seen them again or had any sort of reprisal.

Maybe what I did was wrong but also maybe he will think twice before wanting to take the world on again.

 

[elroberto]

pmsl! That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time

Wrong move! Don't do that to El Guapo! ROFL!