"Just stop oil"

[SpellowHouse]

Some of this stuff is getting rather farcical:

Greta Thunberg removed by cops in Norway during anti-wind farm protest

Climate activists demonstrate against turbines built on land traditionally used by Sami people to herd reindeer.

www.politico.eu

Greta, the climate activist, is protesting against a wind farm... FFS!

Apparently because traditionally reindeer have been herded there:



So no different to say people in Yorkshire or Wales complaining about a wind farm in a location where sheep are traditionally herded for centuries? Or people in Scotland complaining about a wind farm where cattle have been traditionally herded.

This is just fashionable wokeness being used to mask regular NIMBYism simply because the people involved constitute a different ethnic group to other Norwegians.

Much as though I think the climate activists have a point, MOST activists are extremists. Not only that, but they are amazing at campaigning against things, but not very good at suggesting alternatives.

I have no idea why the government listens to these people - and they do. No matter what the government try to do there are campaigns, legal action, and so on, and usually the government is thwarted. To make matters worse the public join in because no one wants a power station of any description near where they live. The end result of all this is we don't have a power generation plan in this country, something that is costing us dearly right now.

I am all for protestors, but at the end of the day we have to have SOME plan!!!

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Last night I had a curry with 6 other adults and this topic came up.
I asked if one wind turbine could be erected near to the areas they live in and they were now promised cheap electricity would they allow the turbine to be built.
All answered no
None of these are activists, they just don't want one on their doorstep.
I'd have one in my back garden.

 

[sidimmu]

Last night I had a curry with 6 other adults and this topic came up.
I asked if one wind turbine could be erected near to the areas they live in and they were now promised cheap electricity would they allow the turbine to be built.
All answered no
None of these are activists, they just don't want one on their doorstep.
I'd have one in my back garden.

Same story for people regardless if its electricity, food, immigrants, prisons etc etc
We all need them but no one wants it in their area.
1st world greed and selfishness.

 

[robgmun]

It depends how close, i wouldn't want one within a 200m of me but fine if it's about a mile away

 

[GreatAuk]

Seems bizarre for climate change protesters to get involved... 'we must do everything we can to address the climate emergency... What's that, clean reliable nuclear power? No way! ... And the locals don't like the wind turbines? Get rid of them!'

The concept of indigenous people having additional rights is an odd one, particularly in Europe...

Same story for people regardless if its electricity, food, immigrants, prisons etc etc
We all need them but no one wants it in their area.
1st world greed and selfishness.

Tbf though it's quite reasonable not to want undesirable things near you, whether it's perceived quality of life, safety, or house prices. After all why would you be happy with a prison getting built down the road from you if someone living a couple of miles away is going to get off without having something like that near them? I don't think that's exclusive to the first world either. The problem to me is that decision making processes take too much notice of small scale local objections to things which could have a much wider benefit and should be built anyway, and at the same time don't provide appropriate compensation / beneficial works to cancel out these things when they are built anyway.

 

[sidimmu]

Tbf though it's quite reasonable not to want undesirable things near you, whether it's perceived quality of life, safety, or house prices. After all why would you be happy with a prison getting built down the road from you if someone living a couple of miles away is going to get off without having something like that near them? I don't think that's exclusive to the first world either. The problem to me is that decision making processes take too much notice of small scale local objections to things which could have a much wider benefit and should be built anyway, and at the same time don't provide appropriate compensation / beneficial works to cancel out these things when they are built anyway.

Interesting that in the just stop oil topic, you jumped on the prison side of things here.

Compensation for a wind turbine to reduce your energy bills? Theres your compensation, what else do you want?

 

[Chris Wilson]

Interesting that in the just stop oil topic, you jumped on the prison side of things here.

Compensation for a wind turbine to reduce your energy bills? Theres your compensation, what else do you want?

Possibly not to have property prices local to the wind turbines being devalued by their presence as GreatAuk mentions? Others, including Greta the Great worry about the reindeer and nomads.

To me, all of this is specious verbage, we need to reduce population levels by all (humane) means possible.

 

[sidimmu]

Possibly not to have property prices local to the wind turbines being devalued by their presence?

Speculation.

If it reduced your energy costs, who is to say your house would devalue?
In this current climate with how prices, surely on that basis it would increase the value of your property.

Also on one has confirmed if its in your garden, round the corner, 1 mile away, 4 mile away. You are all jumping on the, "oh but my local area, my house prices etc etc" without having the faintest idea of actual impact.

 

[Uther]

Well there's either a climate emergency and energy crisis or there's not. As long as things like wind turbines are spread around then there's shouldn't be a case for refusing them because of NIMBYism alone.

 

[GreatAuk]

Interesting that in the just stop oil topic, you jumped on the prison side of things here.

Compensation for a wind turbine to reduce your energy bills? Theres your compensation, what else do you want?

Eh what's wrong with commenting on the prison example that you brought up as an example of '1st world greed and selfishness'?

Idk, I would be happy with that for wind turbines if it were me, I wouldn't even expect any compensation because I don't think having turbines near built up areas is really much of a negative impact. I haven't looked to see what the impact on house prices would be but have to imagine it's pretty negligible unless you live somewhere really rural where the view is a big part of the house price, or they're literally right next door.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Eh what's wrong with commenting on the prison example that you brought up as an example of '1st world greed and selfishness'?

Idk, I would be happy with that for wind turbines if it were me, I wouldn't even expect any compensation because I don't think having turbines near built up areas is really much of a negative impact. I haven't looked to see what the impact on house prices would be but have to imagine it's pretty negligible unless you live somewhere really rural where the view is a big part of the house price.

Interesting though is that views are not protected in any way.
If you purchase a property with the valuation based on views then its always a risk.

Well there's either a climate emergency and energy crisis or there's not. As long as things like wind turbines are spread around then there's shouldn't be a case for refusing them because of NIMBYism alone.

There are still plenty of deniers out there.
No as many as once, the slightly converted now accept climate change but go for the "its always happened" defence.

 

[Uther]

Interesting though is that views are not protected in any way.
If you purchase a property with the valuation based on views then its always a risk.



There are still plenty of deniers out there.
No as many as once, the slightly converted now accept climate change but go for the "its always happened" defence.

I mean, people even object to solar farms...

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I mean, people even object to solar farms...

Ha funny you should say that.
I have a really large solar farm planned near me. https://sunnica.co.uk/

The absolute nonsense some of the local "action group" were coming out with and pushing through peoples doors was frankly absurd.
I suspect they were all Qanon, COVID vaccine deniers, the real truth is hidden from you types.

Problem is the nonsense makes sensible adult conversation difficult.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Speculation.

If it reduced your energy costs, who is to say your house would devalue?
In this current climate with how prices, surely on that basis it would increase the value of your property.

Also on one has confirmed if its in your garden, round the corner, 1 mile away, 4 mile away. You are all jumping on the, "oh but my local area, my house prices etc etc" without having the faintest idea of actual impact.

From The Guardian:

Windfarms can reduce house prices by up to 12%, says LSE​

Findings contrast with earlier study – and will fan homeowners' demands for compensation when windfarms are approved


https://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/apr/08/windfarms-reduce-house-prices-compensation#comments
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Large windfarms can knock as much as 12% off the values of homes within a 2km radius, and reduce property prices as far as 14km away, according to research by the London School of Economics. The findings contrast sharply with a report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research in March, which found no negative impact on property prices within a 5km radius of a turbine.
The LSE findings will fan demands by homeowners for compensation when windfarm developments are given the go-ahead. Currently, windfarm operators pay rent on the land they occupy and make contributions to community causes, but are under no legal obligation to compensate homeowners for loss of value.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

From The Guardian:

Windfarms can reduce house prices by up to 12%, says LSE​

Findings contrast with earlier study – and will fan homeowners' demands for compensation when windfarms are approved


https://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/apr/08/windfarms-reduce-house-prices-compensation#comments
352
Large windfarms can knock as much as 12% off the values of homes within a 2km radius, and reduce property prices as far as 14km away, according to research by the London School of Economics. The findings contrast sharply with a report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research in March, which found no negative impact on property prices within a 5km radius of a turbine.
The LSE findings will fan demands by homeowners for compensation when windfarm developments are given the go-ahead. Currently, windfarm operators pay rent on the land they occupy and make contributions to community causes, but are under no legal obligation to compensate homeowners for loss of value.

More recent reports seem to somewhat counter that.

I wonder what impact a coal fired power station would have on house prices if built in the local area.
My gut feel is significantly more than a few wind turbines, but then I am using my personal bias there in that I would rather a wind turbine than a coal plant.

I mean bearing in mind we need the energy, I wonder how people would rank having to have one of these built within 4km of their house
1) a nuclear power station
2) a nuclear waste site
3) a coal powered power station
4) a coal mine
5) a coal **** heap
6) a solar farm
7) a wind turbine
8) a waste incineration plant
9) a gas fired generation plant

my suspicion is most would be going for 6 and 7 before 1,3,8 and 9

The real issue is that the people who object to them don't currently have their share of the countries generation needs situated near them.
Its classic NIMBYism in its purest form.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

More recent reports seem to somewhat counter that.

I wonder what impact a coal fired power station would have on house prices if built in the local area.
My gut feel is significantly more than a few wind turbines, but then I am using my personal bias there in that I would rather a wind turbine than a coal plant.

I mean bearing in mind we need the energy, I wonder how people would rank having to have one of these built within 4km of their house
1) a nuclear power station
2) a nuclear waste site
3) a coal powered power station
4) a coal mine
5) a coal **** heap
6) a solar farm
7) a wind turbine
8) a waste incineration plant
9) a gas fired generation plant

my suspicion is most would be going for 6 and 7 before 1,3,8 and 9

The real issue is that the people who object to them don't currently have their share of the countries generation needs situated near them.
Its classic NIMBYism in its purest form.

With 1 and 2 security in and around them will be tight. so the chances are police in your area won’t be underfunded.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

With 1 and 2 security in and around them will be tight. so the chances are police in your area won’t be underfunded.

Interestingly I lived somewhat near sizewell in the past you would be surprised in effect how little evidence of police there is.
Although the ones there are armed, you hardly saw any.

There probably isn't really that many there in reality.
I suspect getting access to the site would be relatively easy (although likely detected, so what you gonna do now type scenario). But getting access to anything sensitive would be significantly harder. Much like my local airbases who seem to have very similar levels of perimeter defence etc

Edit to add, I believe the police on the site were external to the local police as well. The nuclear police maybe?

 

[Uther]

With 1 and 2 security in and around them will be tight. so the chances are police in your area won’t be underfunded.

We're getting a quarry in the next village. The locals are less than impressed.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I live 7.5 miles from a nuclear power plant and was told to collect my free iodine tablets for my local pharmacy that I’m supposed to take if the alert goes out. Haven’t done so as my plan to head out of the fallout zone at GTFO speed in the Duster if that happens.

The locals call it the Cloud Factory due to the condensation plumes from the turbine cooling towers.

 

[Diddums]

Haven’t done so as my plan to head out of the fallout zone at GTFO speed in the Duster if that happens.

Dacia: there for you when the nukes start falling!