Keeping up with the Markles

It is when you don't have any proof of such a conversation taking place or the context and tone of what might have been said. Add to that being unwilling to name the alleged or give any facts about whether they challenged that person's alleged comments at the time and how that person responded.

It ought to have been settled at the time even if that were left as 'beg to differ' or no offense intended. Unnecessary to bring such matter out in public as they've produced no evidence. Even the allegation is airing on the side of the recipient choosing to interpret something as insulting rather than something derogatory being said.

It's a calculated attack by means of being deliberately vague to cause maximum effect across the family. Delivering trial by media where the public only has one sides word to go on.

In this case there's also the accusation that the reason why Archie doesn't have the title "prince" is because he's "black". An accusation made despite knowing the real reason (protocol established in 1917 limiting the title to 2 generations from the monarch except for people in the direct line of succession) and explicitly refering to that reason.
 
But The Guardian [Owen Jones] says it's not racist!

Which would be almost enough by itself to conclude that it is. The Guardian is on a par with the Daily Mail. The standard of the writing is much higher, but it's equally nasty and unreliable.
 
In this case there's also the accusation that the reason why Archie doesn't have the title "prince" is because he's "black". An accusation made despite knowing the real reason (protocol established in 1917 limiting the title to 2 generations from the monarch except for people in the direct line of succession) and explicitly refering to that reason.

But "if Meghan felt it was racist then it was racist because it is her 'lived experience'" LOL
 
She's definitely playing the race card in a pretty vile way..

- Claiming the press are racist for not liking her when demonstrably she has left a trail of disaster behind her at every opportunity and is a horrifically unlikeable character.
- Claiming the Monarchy is racist because Archie isn't entitled to be called Prince when it's a well established 'rule' and the only backup to the allegation is Prince Charles saying he wishes to reduce the size of the 'Royal Family' without yet saying who/how/when/what?

And whilst I can believe a conversation took place about the potential colour of her baby, that in and of itself is not racist unless you have more facts, but coupled with the above 2 obviously ludicrous claims, I think it's justified to want more detail and context before remotely entertaining this one..

I can imagine the Queen playing it by the book, going out of their way to accommodate Harry and Meghan, but her paranoia and narcissistic behaviour just mean if she doesn't feel she fits in (her problem) she'll start making things up and playing the victim card as she seems so good at..

Maybe this is a sign of how far we have come, how good society is regarding tolerance of everything and everyone, you now have to go actively out your way to really skew things tenuously just enough to claim it's not actually racist but it feels like it is..
That idiot David Harewood and the COVID racism report on the BBC was pricelessly cringeworthy for the same reasons..
 
She's definitely playing the race card in a pretty vile way..

- Claiming the Monarchy is racist because Archie isn't entitled to be called Prince when it's a well established 'rule' and the only backup to the allegation is Prince Charles saying he wishes to reduce the size of the 'Royal Family' without yet saying who/how/when/what?

Has Meghan ever said the words"The monarchy are racist"?
 
But "if Meghan felt it was racist then it was racist because it is her 'lived experience'" LOL
what about that lady in the park with her dog...was she being attacked by the black bird watcher? so just because someone said it is their "lived" experience, so it must be true???

 
I've heard it all now. :p

The Guardian pander to their middle class "intelligentsia" demographic with liberal cliche after liberal cliche in order to set them against the perceived "right" through dint of their apparent superior moral stance. It's subtler than the Daily Mail, and better-written, but just as opinionated and divisive. In fact, it's subliminal, which makes it even worse.

It's like the old vegan/Arch Linux user joke - "how do you know a Guardian reader when you see one? Don't worry, they'll tell you".
 
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Has Meghan ever said the words"The monarchy are racist"?
she s accused of the Royal family member to have said racist comments but failed to give details of circumstances and the person who said it. so she has levelled accusation at a member but without callign the person out. she then used this notion to further her claim that Archie was deprived of his "rightful" (not) title because of racism within the estabilshment NOT because they wanted to step back from senoir royal roles and NOT because Archie is not the child of the regent therefore not due the title...

she is self-serving and twisting the facts.

i used to believe her and believed she was a victim of palace staffer bullying , but after watching her interview, i have to say i believe nothing she says. I also question her credibility and issues rasied in newspapers in previous years and wonder if they are true.
 
A bit of extra talk by Pakman :D


Says it all lol.
Ive not actually watch it before but what a baby. If the term ********* should mean anything its what Morgan just did. Melt.



I have to say the comments on gammon are hilarious also. Why are you people so insecure, you constantly throw the term 'woke' as some kind of insult but it is actually a good thing to be anti racist and all the other anti stuff you all complain about.

Oh no Ive been called woke what ever will I do? Oh thats right Ill just carry on not being a racist ****.
 
I've heard it all now. :p

They're equally biased and unpleasant. It's just that one has a much lower standard of writing than the other.

[..] It's subtler than the Daily Mail, and better-written, but just as opinionated and divisive. [..]

Yes, that. Although I'm not sure if it's really subtler than the DM or just appears so because it's better written.
 
[..] I have to say the comments on gammon are hilarious also. Why are you people so insecure, you constantly throw the term 'woke' as some kind of insult but it is actually a good thing to be anti racist and all the other anti stuff you all complain about.

Oh no Ive been called woke what ever will I do? Oh thats right Ill just carry on not being a racist ****.

If you're not racist, you're not properly woke. Being fashionably irrationally prejudiced is a key part of being woke and being racist (in the "right" way) is part of that.

There is a difference between an insult based on a person's actions and an insult based on a person's skin colour, sex and age. But if you're woke enough you won't understand that because you'll believe in biological group identity (the belief that "they're all the same") and so you'll believe that everything about everyone is determined by the stereotypes you attach to sex, "race", etc.
 
Hang on, and I haven't watched the full interview but wasn't it Harry that the comment was made to and Harry that said there was a problem the tone of how it was made? You are all pilling on MM here but surely its Harry that has made this an issue.

As for The Guardian. Its opinion section is indeed quite left leaning, Some of its investigative journalism has been fantastic though. Not sure The Mail even has investigative journalists working for it does it? I don't class digging through peoples trash looking for salacious stories as investigative journalism.

The UK has The Guardian as its one broadsheet style left leaning newspaper. The Mirror is like The Sun and is basically The Daily Sport with less **** in terms of actual journalism. I guess you could include the Independent as well.

The Daily Mail, The Express, The Times, The Telegraph, The FT, The Evening Standard all lean right. The first 2 are probably the worst offenders of stirring up division and hate.
 
If you're not racist, you're not properly woke. Being fashionably irrationally prejudiced is a key part of being woke and being racist (in the "right" way) is part of that.

There is a difference between an insult based on a person's actions and an insult based on a person's skin colour, sex and age. But if you're woke enough you won't understand that because you'll believe in biological group identity (the belief that "they're all the same") and so you'll believe that everything about everyone is determined by the stereotypes you attach to sex, "race", etc.

You’ve thought about this far far too much.
 
Hang on, and I haven't watched the full interview but wasn't it Harry that the comment was made to and Harry that said there was a problem the tone of how it was made? You are all pilling on MM here but surely its Harry that has made this an issue.

no she said it was racist when she was alone with Oprah. harry came into the internview after 1 hour and confirmed that something was said about the skin tone, and he said "I was quite taken back by it". he never said anything about the family being racist. he constantly levelled Racism at the british press and said the family and the institution never came to their defence when they should.

Megan basically levelled the accusation of racism at the royal famil. Harry just confirmed the conversation happened but declined to say who and how that conversation came about.
 
Hang on, and I haven't watched the full interview but wasn't it Harry that the comment was made to and Harry that said there was a problem the tone of how it was made? You are all pilling on MM here but surely its Harry that has made this an issue.

As for The Guardian. Its opinion section is indeed quite left leaning, Some of its investigative journalism has been fantastic though. Not sure The Mail even has investigative journalists working for it does it? I don't class digging through peoples trash looking for salacious stories as investigative journalism.

The UK has The Guardian as its one broadsheet style left leaning newspaper. The Mirror is like The Sun and is basically The Daily Sport with less **** in terms of actual journalism. I guess you could include the Independent as well.

The Daily Mail, The Express, The Times, The Telegraph, The FT, The Evening Standard all lean right. The first 2 are probably the worst offenders of stirring up division and hate.
I see what youve done there. Youve made the mistake of basing your points on facts rather than utter hatred.
 
Isn't that an allegation? Surely labelling an allegation as "playing the race card" is an act of prejudice, because as you rightly point out we have no way of knowing until it is either admitted or proven one way or the other. Your appetite for evidence appears to be a bit one sided.

It's an example of the very prejudice that they've complained about.

There isn't any evidence unless something was caught on CCTV including audio and it's unlikely someone is going to admit to any wrong doing. Therefore it's playing the race card because she's appealing to people to take her word for it.
 
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