Man of Honour
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Yet none have found him guilty. Easy to make allegations looking for a payout.
Kevin Space Invader
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Yet none have found him guilty. Easy to make allegations looking for a payout.
This. This whole #metoo movement is nothing but a cancer to society. Too many selfish parts piggybacking off the back of it looking for their 15 minutes or a payout. If someone is proven innocent, their accusers should be sent to the Congo.
Soldato
Couple of years prior to the allegations:
They were careful not to get too specific, but the tone was that he was to be avoided.
Soldato
I think the implication was that they were sometimes a little underage and that things often went further than they were happy with (consent).
There's also an uneven power dynamic at play, particularly when it involves younger actors from his theatre company.
Good luck with that, he hasn’t been declared innocent, or not guilty, the prosecutor decided to drop the case, because the accuser invoked his 5th Amendment right not to testify, as he may incriminate himself.
Something to do with the accuser allegedly losing his cell phone, which further allegedly, contained messages that could assist Spacey’s defence.
The allegations against Spacey come from more than 30 individuals, and span decades, even Johnny Cochran, who defended O.J. Simpson, or Mark Geragos, who defended Michael Jackson, Rihanna, and Scott Peterson would be hard pressed to portray Spacey as an innocent man, which he may well be, oh, and I also believe in the Easter Bunny.
so it was well known from a podcast that didn't mention his name? oooookay….
Soldato
When I said 'open secret' did you think I meant "public knowledge"?
well I certainly didn't think you meant an unnamed person from one obscure podcast.
Soldato
The point isn't the podcast: that was just a minor lifting of the curtain to the public, but the way in which they were all, within their New York entertainment bubble, aware of his activities.
Caporegime
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Kevin Spacey is an amazing actor. Unfortunately he is also a predatory man. I would still watch movies such as Se7en, Usual Suspects etc, but I wouldn't want him making new movies as they would be tarnished by his association.
It's similar to The Smiths. I love the Smiths but I can't stand Morrisey and his right-wing BNP crap.
Somewhere you have to separate the 'art' from the man otherwise you would tie yourself in knots.
There's too many allegations for them to all be made up. There's no reason for somebody like Anthony Rapp to make stuff like that up, as his career is going very well with his role in Star Trek: Discovery (whatever your personal opinions of that show are)
It's similar to The Smiths. I love the Smiths but I can't stand Morrisey and his right-wing BNP crap.
Somewhere you have to separate the 'art' from the man otherwise you would tie yourself in knots.
There's too many allegations for them to all be made up. There's no reason for somebody like Anthony Rapp to make stuff like that up, as his career is going very well with his role in Star Trek: Discovery (whatever your personal opinions of that show are)
Soldato
Forgot the court of public opinion, social media or whatever else. The only important distinction to make is the legal one and legally as he hasn't been found guilty he is innocent.
Morally though, it is a different question but then a much harder one to answer. Whose morality do you measure someone against? yours? mine? the general public? If the general public, how many people need to consider someone morally guilty for them to be 'guilty'?
And if he doesnt, we know it's true.
K-Pax was quite a good film.
Man of Honour
It was common for multiple people to make allegations about someone accused of witchcraft during that time. Sometimes dozens of people. It's probably still common in places where people still believe in witchcraft.
Part of the point of what is most commonly known as a witch hunt (although it's been used with various excuses in various times and places) is to strongly promote multiple allegations with no care for whether or not the allegations are true, lies or false memories. Get enough momentum going on a witch hunt and you will succeed in having multiple people genuinely thinking that all sorts of things happened. Anyone can have false memories implanted, often disturbingly easily, and the propaganda of a "witch" hunt (regardless of the actual target) is perfectly suited to doing so.
You can find a multitude of examples from the well documented witch hunts of western Europe. You can find a multitude of examples from persecution of Jews in western Europe (who were frequently accused of all sorts of things, up to and including ritual murder of children). If you somehow believe that people today are somehow immune to something which has worked on people for at least all of recorded history and probably long before, you can find modern examples from "developed" countries. Here, for example, is a recent quite extreme example of the power of "witch" hunting propaganda, in which multiple people who were not personally targetted were implanted with false memories of something that had just happened. That's the hardest thing for propaganda to do, but it was (and continues to be) successful. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/15/...er-attack-show-the-power-of-false-memory.html
Add the incentives of money and power and status (which are usually also present) and you'll get some lying too. The risks are extremely low and the rewards can be extremely high, so of course some people will do it.
It's an inevitable consequence (and very likely the main or even sole purpose) of publically proclaiming a person as guilty by default (as long as they're assigned a very low status group identity, of course - higher status group identities are not treated that way) and without trial.
In short, numbers don't constitute proof of guilt. It's far from clear that they even constitute meaningful evidence of guilt. Not in circumstances specificially designed to presume guilt and induce false memories and encourage lying.
Soldato
Things are crazy. I was watching a netflix show recently where there is a romantic-ish moment, a guy leans in to kiss a girl, she replies "no, you have to ask for permission first" WTF...
How many people has asked for permission before kissing someone? Normally it is mutually implied.
Caporegime
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Which show was that?
*Ignores Angillions ongoing obsession with identity politics*
Soldato
I can't remember the name. Some one where a bunch of kids run around playing lord of the flies after all their parents disappear. It was a 6/10 at best. Could have been much better.