Korean Grand Prix 2010, Korean International Circuit - Race 17/19

Excellent race, but I felt the quality of the coverage wasn't really up scratch this weekend. The sticking and fast forward of replays during qualifying was a bit annoying. :rolleyes:

Does anyone know if Schuhmacher gave a post race interview? He definitely seemed to excel in the conditions!

I think its predominantly down to the fact that Mercedes altered the car setup to wet track settings, whereas everyone else didnt bother to change their car settings when the race was red flagged.

Dont forget that Rosberg overtook Hamilton after the SC went in and he was running 4th behind Alonso.
 
Yeah Ms didn't really excel as his team mate was leaving him and despite all the safety cars never got a look at anyone after Button. Still Mercedes made a good call and it was nice to see MS get a positive result.

Will be interesting to see the total comparison Alonso to Massa at the end of the season as well for each and every session. It has to be the biggest spanking of the year surely?

I think if Ferrari had hired Alonso instead of Kimi, Alonso would have had a shot at MS 7 world titles.
 
I think its predominantly down to the fact that Mercedes altered the car setup to wet track settings, whereas everyone else didnt bother to change their car settings when the race was red flagged.

Dont forget that Rosberg overtook Hamilton after the SC went in and he was running 4th behind Alonso.

With the irony of that being, had Lewis stayed in 4th he'd likely have been taken out by Webber.

All in all, decent performance by many, Sutil was the class of the field, the most entertaining guy out there for sure :p

Overtook constantly and made so many mistakes, it was like playing an F1 game where you play the first race, take loads of places but make loads of mistakes as you learn the breaking points.

Button, laughably bad, I can't believe his car was really any worse than Hamiltons. Yes he was further back, but he had chances, they were saying the SC ruined his pit stop, to some degree yes, but then when the race restarted he was on better tires than all those around him, and he did NOTHING, at all. End of the day when the SC came in, lots of people ahead got free pit stops, those around him didn't, with fresh tires and a SIGNIFICANTLY better car and was MUCH closer to the front of the grid(ie within 10-15 seconds where as before the SC, he was miles and miles down), he actually had the chance with a better car and better tires and being that close to really push up the field, he did NOTHING, literally nothing.

Useless, lots of people had bad tires, Lewis said his inter's were wearing on the first lap behind a safety car, at the end everyones tires were a joke(well most peoples).

Hamilton's only, and biggest mistake was coming out of the SC, I think the McClaren just wasn't fast enough and Alonso would have gotten past anyway, but had he not screwed up that one corner he might have won the race.

The race was all about SC's, and really thats it. You have a couple mentalists do some funny overtaking and spinning, but most of the real runners were fairly boring.

The other problem was, no one really knew how much fuel was required, I'd guess some people took bigger risks assuming a long time on safety cars and filled up with less fuel.

Did Schumi/Nico really have a wet race setup, or was it mostly their first sector advantage showing.

Remember down the straights with an f-duct aswell a powerful engine has a huge advantage, while the massive cornering advantage was heavily effected by the rain. IE Schumi/Rossberg could go down the straights faster than anyone in the dry or wet, Red Bulls could normally destroy everyone in sectors 2/3 in the dry, in the rain their advantage was MUCh smaller.

Schumi still handled the car well, overtook very well, looked fast and aggressive.
 
Will be interesting to see the total comparison Alonso to Massa at the end of the season as well for each and every session. It has to be the biggest spanking of the year surely?

I think the biggest would be Kubica/Petrov.

E.g. 16-1 in qualifying Kubicas favour.

EDIT: Er. sorry not sure what you asked there dannyjo. What do you mean by biggest spanking by Alonso/Massa?
 
Anyone think DC was utterly hilarious? I just watched the forum too and that time delay has just caught him out all day, was so funny when he tapped that blokes leg in McLaren HQ on the leg saying thanks as if to say cheers for not swearing at EJ on air :p
 
I feel sorry for Button. He didn't do much for himself, but he had an awful pitstop and nearly had his race ruined by Sutil costing him 3-4 places. By that point I imagine he was thinking **** it why bother! :p

Shame about the rubbish iPlayer coverage for this, really spoilt the enjoyment of the race for me. Not to mention repeatedly getting dragged away to do other things in the house.

Is the post race / forum worth watching?
 
Yeah Ms didn't really excel as his team mate was leaving him and despite all the safety cars never got a look at anyone after Button. Still Mercedes made a good call and it was nice to see MS get a positive result.

Will be interesting to see the total comparison Alonso to Massa at the end of the season as well for each and every session. It has to be the biggest spanking of the year surely?

I think if Ferrari had hired Alonso instead of Kimi, Alonso would have had a shot at MS 7 world titles.
nico was leaving him? look at the lap times before nico crashed both drivers set there fastest lap on 14
schumacher lap14 2:35.400
nicorosberg lap14 2:36.901

schumacher was slower before 14 though

but after 14
15 2:37.417
16 2:39.674
17 2:40.998
and rosberg
15 2:37.573
16 2:38.954
17 2:42.283

schumacher got slower compared to those infront of him as the track tried and seeing as they both aparently had the same wet setup nico would have aswell, doubt he could have finished hire than 4th
 
Only because the two remaining races have red bull written all over them. However, they can quite easily self destruct as shown today.

I can't believe red bull won't back Webber when push comes to shove.

The McLaren just doesn't seem to have quite the speed it needs and the Ferrari is only good enough to win when the track doesn't suit the RB or when they self destruct.

The way I see it is that Vettel is going to finish ahead of Webber. If this is the case, then Alonso doesn't really need to worry, with Vettel so far back in the points standings.

Seriously, I rate Webber lower in stature than say Massa and we are all seeing how Massa is in the process of being demolished. To even think that Webber (even in a superior car) can hope to match Alonso is madness.

I hate to be so hard on Webber, but the guy is No.2 to Vettel - he and his entire team know this. Even at this point, his team are refusing to back him, over Vettel. That must tell you something. He is to be commended for his fight this year, but he just does not possess the equipment to beat Alonso (even in a faster car). Now, if Vettel was in 2nd place, then Alonso should be worried, but luckily for him, this is not the case.

Alonso's experience (which IMO is VERY important in the title run-in) includes beating the greatest F1 driver to have ever lived...twice. Webber's experience consists of winning a few races and being involved in lots of crashes/incidents.

In the early part of the season Alonso was mis-firing. During this period, Webber might've been able to overhaul Alonso. But the Alonso we are seeing now is him at his peak. Do you honestly believe that Webber (an average driver, rated No.2 in his own team) can beat Alonso to the title?

With regards to Alonso's engine situation - people have been commenting about this for the last few races. What in fact happened in reality, was that Vettel's engine blew up. If Alonso feels he needs a new engine, he will take a grid drop, take an early pit-stop and then attempt to beat those in front of him. He'll probably be able to finish in the top 6 and pick up some points.
 
nico was leaving him? look at the lap times before nico crashed both drivers set there fastest lap on 14
schumacher lap14 2:35.400
nicorosberg lap14 2:36.901

schumacher was slower before 14 though

but after 14
15 2:37.417
16 2:39.674
17 2:40.998
and rosberg
15 2:37.573
16 2:38.954
17 2:42.283

All those laps were done under the safety car.....
 
nico was leaving him? look at the lap times before nico crashed both drivers set there fastest lap on 14
schumacher lap14 2:35.400
nicorosberg lap14 2:36.901

schumacher was slower before 14 though

but after 14
15 2:37.417
16 2:39.674
17 2:40.998
and rosberg
15 2:37.573
16 2:38.954
17 2:42.283

:D

The race didn't start until lap 18. You are probably right about about Rosbergs set up hurting him later on. The point stands though, people are laughing at how woefull JB was and then making a deal of MS getting past him. A driver who was what 4 seconds slower than his team mate at times?

Where as Rosberg got past hamilton. There's no doubt had rosberg not taken a smack he would have finished ahead of his team mate on pace again.
 
Alonso's experience (which IMO is VERY important in the title run-in) includes beating the greatest F1 driver to have ever lived...twice..

Once.

He beat him in 2006 in 2005 he beat Kimi by having the more reliable car. Kimi was by far the faster and better driver in 2005 but was robbed really by reliability on the Mclaren.

In 2005 the only race MS got near winning was when everyone else sat out indy.
 
Thanks for that link, Alonso is indeed the absolute master at protecting his tyres while at the same time maintaining lap time. He knows the corners that hurt the tyres most and adapt.

Was it after the Australia GP, where an official from Bridgestone stated that Alonso looked after his tyres best?

Everybody on this forum was harping on about how good Button is on his tyres, yet on the evidence of this season, Button has been no better on his tyres than the other drivers on the grid (including Hamilton, who has a reputation for driving aggressively).
 
Was it after the Australia GP, where an official from Bridgestone stated that Alonso looked after his tyres best?

Everybody on this forum was harping on about how good Button is on his tyres, yet on the evidence of this season, Button has been no better on his tyres than the other drivers on the grid (including Hamilton, who has a reputation for driving aggressively).

There were a few races (I think Malaysia or China? Or Australia?) where Hamilton was eating through his tyres much more than Button? Ok granted it wasnt every race, but there was that trend.

Also, Buttons car was using a new suspension, which probably affected the tyre degradation considerably. Who knows...
 
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