Korean Grand Prix 2010, Korean International Circuit - Race 17/19

JRS said:
Just read the last page, since I couldn't be bothered with going through all 12. I get drawn to stuff that's completely out of whack - it just so happened that it was once again you suffering a bit of a memory fail.

12 page thread, and as I type this I only have three or four other posts in it. Last time that happened was when you and ITV managed to grind me down with your blatant lunacy in '08....;)
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Sometimes, I wonder if you search for my posts, ignoring all the other posts just to see if you can pick out any errors in my rantings. :p
 
sunama said:
Sometimes, I wonder if you search for my posts, ignoring all the other posts just to see if you can pick out any errors in my rantings. :p
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Trust me sunama, on the day I start doing that I shall be committed to an asylum. 'cause that would just be a whole different level of insane to where I am right now.
 
Ok conspiracy theorists.

Webber did not brake when he made impact.
Im sure the brakes were fine since the impact was soft. He made no attempt to correct the car to avoid the track knowing their are cars whizzing by, and since he messed up, he decides to maybe take Hamilton or Alonso out. But was unlucky to find Rosberg.



Discuss :D
 
I think his thought process was: If I can't finish the race, I won't let my title rivals finish either.

There is nothing wrong with that attitude.

MSc had this attitude on many occassions. I remember D.Hill at Silverstone 1995, took out MSc when MSc tried to overtake Hill.

Later, Hill gave an interview and intimated that at the British GP, there was no way that he was going to allow the German to win.

In my book, there is nothing wrong with this "win at all costs" attitude.
 
looking at the oboard and the front right, it locks, is this not him braking? could the impact not of stopped the rear brakes functioning? but..

if i did the same thing i would also try and 'accidentally roll across the track and maybe collect a title rival'. tbh he could have very easily turned his wheel ever so slightly and rolled parallel to the wall and keep clean off the racing line.
 
Cavallino said:
Ok conspiracy theorists.

Webber did not brake when he made impact.
Im sure the brakes were fine since the impact was soft. He made no attempt to correct the car to avoid the track knowing their are cars whizzing by, and since he messed up, he decides to maybe take Hamilton or Alonso out. But was unlucky to find Rosberg.



Discuss :D
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what a stupid thing to say,
there is no way he would risk getting hurt or worse
you can clearly see the left rear is flat and the car is riding on its floor lifting most of the wheels off the ground so the brakes wouldnt have done much
 
ShakenNstirred said:
what a stupid thing to say,
there is no way he would risk getting hurt or worse
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The crash was happening at low speed (for a F1 car), so the risk of hurting himself at that speed was low.
People will do things that they would not normally do, when it comes to winning a world title (at any sport). Some people (believe it or not) would even risk their lives and take ban substances in order to gain an advantage over their rivals. This is quite common in cycling, athletics and bodybuilding, to mention a few.

Your comment tells me that you don't have a competitive personality.
 
ShakenNstirred said:
what a stupid thing to say,
there is no way he would risk getting hurt or worse
you can clearly see the left rear is flat and the car is riding on its floor lifting most of the wheels off the ground so the brakes wouldnt have done much
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Funny because 2 other people above said a similarly "stupid" thing.

No wait, make that at least 3 other people. Gerhard Berger wants a word...

http://thef1times.com/news/display/02192
 
I think its fair to say that if they were in a position which Webber was in, many people would've risked their own safety to take out their nearest rivals.

MSc has done it. Senna has done it. Hill has done it. I'm sure there are many other F1 drivers of the past who have attempted to take out their rivals, when they realise that their own race is over/compromised. I would also add that this is not a calculated decision, but an almost instinctive reaction to seeing their rivals and attempting a reckless block.

I don't blame MSc for what he did to Hill, JV and in Monaco. When you are so competitive and believe that without a shadow of a doubt you have every right to win (or that your rival has no right to win), you will actually convince yourself that what you are doing is correct.

I remember Senna publicly stated what he would do if Prost got ahead of him at Suzuka 1990. And he lived up to his promise, taking himself and Prost out of the race. Perhaps ShakenNStirred should've told Senna that he was being "stupid". ;)
 
May be just me but if I were in the frame of mind I might have just lost the greatest achievement possible in my career I'd be looking for a bit of carnage! Nico was in the wrong place at the wrong time, shame it wasn't Alonso!
(I did post ages ago Webber should have braked, he had tons of time)
 
sunama said:
The crash was happening at low speed (for a F1 car), so the risk of hurting himself at that speed was low.
People will do things that they would not normally do, when it comes to winning a world title (at any sport). Some people (believe it or not) would even risk their lives and take ban substances in order to gain an advantage over their rivals. This is quite common in cycling, athletics and bodybuilding, to mention a few.

Your comment tells me that you don't have a competitive personality.
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yes he was travelling at slow speed but the car hitting him in the side may not be.
and my comment has nothing to do with my personality thanks very much

i just dont think whe would do that and im not a webber fan

and Cavallino i said what you said was stupid not that YOU were so your comment saying i had no personality was not needed
 
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He just aqua-plained in the spin... (insert some sort of guess work that the extreme wets dont work all that well sideways)

Bit unfortunate he only got nico, bit unfortunate he didnt spin quite enough to get lucky and carry on forwards...

Spins in roundabouts :D
 
sunama said:
II don't blame MSc for what he did to Hill, JV and in Monaco. When you are so competitive and believe that without a shadow of a doubt you have every right to win (or that your rival has no right to win), you will actually convince yourself that what you are doing is correct.
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So If I convince myself something is ok that makes me blameless in your eyes?

So if I bum your mum because i'm convinced she's asking for it, you will happily shrug that off and I will be blameless because I'd convinced myself she just had to have it ;)

Your point makes as much sense as people saying Jesus told them to do it :D
 
dannyjo22 said:
So If I convince myself something is ok that makes me blameless in your eyes?

So if I bum your mum because i'm convinced she's asking for it, you will happily shrug that off and I will be blameless because I'd convinced myself she just had to have it ;)

Your point makes as much sense as people saying Jesus told them to do it :D
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I can see where you are coming from but becareful dj22. There is a stark contrast between what you are saying and what sunama is saying.

He didnt say in any shape or form that what previous protagonists did is allowed in the rules or justified. What he said is that THEY believe in their minds and hearts that they have carte blanche to win and will push or even cross the rule boundries to achieve this.

What he is saying is that if you can try your luck and get away with it, then power to you. Some people have gotten away with it (Webber - assuming he intended it of course), others have not, e.g. Schumacher at Monaco 06, and others have driven on the edge of the rule boundries e.g. Hamilton's weaving against Petrov. But whatever the outcome, the initial action is not necessarily right, but you have to take your chances to win.

Your sunama's-mum-bumming example is actually flawed because there are no rules against bumming between two consenting adults.
 
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Just read this one Planet F1 -

The Sao Paulo circuit has always been a strong circuit for Ferrari and it's one where you can overtake. There must be a good argument for taking a 10-place grid drop with a new engine and making the best of it. The alternative scenario - of having an engine expire in the race - and then taking a 10-place drop for Abu Dhabi is frightening.
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Didn't even think of the worst case scenario for them. Ouch! Quite the decision they have to make then.
 
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