Korean Grand Prix 2011, Yeongam Circuit - Race 16/19

Seriously? The corner shop jokes got boring over a year ago, LOL.

Although I did hear a rumour that was the reason that Chandhok isn't driving, he's got to interview for staff :)
 
watching that video it seems he could not be more wrong with some of the commentary.

lewis knows the race is not won in the first 5 laps...

but great driving and enjoyable watch, especially as its hamilton beating vettel :p
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Brilliant driving from both of them there! How did they both not make contact.
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The size of the front wing is tiny in comparison to today's f1 cars.

If they'd been in their current cars both would have needed to pit for a new nose by lap 2 lol
 
CaptainRAVE said:
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7247444/Newey-Diffuser-ban-may-halt-Bull-s-charge

Should keep things closer. Have said this all along and we saw what happened to them when it was banned. Similar to the Williams car that had been designed around active suspension. Will be interesting to see how Newey copes with this.
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Its my understanding that it will affect McLaren more than Red Bull though? Im sure Hamilton was moaning as much when it was banned mid-season.

Ferrari do seem best placed out of the top teams regards t converting their 2011 car to the 2012 package...

Ive always found Newey to come over as pragmatic and downplays the technical advances his team makes, think this is just a standard test for any designer...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Skeeter said:
JB was much slower than MW in sector 3 (as was LH), meaning he never got into the DRS zone.
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Not disputing that at all - but over the rest of the lap he would have slowly crept away (otherwise in sector 3 he would surely have been losing more and more time and therefore dropped back, however he was constantly within 2s - the aero envelope)

but dont forget its impossible to know whether JB would have been able to break the DRS connection with Mark behind him or not (by being over a second ahead at teh detection zone)

While Mark's car was excellent in s3, I think he would have lost more to JB over the rest of the lap than he was to LH, otherwise the timing differences dont really make sense that actually happened for those 10 or so laps

Just to be fair , there is no way to know if Mark had been ahead whether the advantage he had in s3 would have allowed him to stay ahead through the whole lap or not


Cant see why Vettel would want LH at Red Bull , and currently cant see Red Bull wanting to upset their No 1 son ( I know its not going to happen for over a season, it just doesnt make sense). RB have Mark for next year, and by 2013 they will have a choice of 3 or 4 very promising , possibly raw admittedly, drivers who are RB through and through not to mention other options from around the grid , why pay nigh on top doller for LH? ......Unless Newey has left , or agreed to leave, by then to go and design America's Cup racing yaughts or some other such passion!! (ie currently they "only" need No1 and No3/4/or 5 to win the WCC, maybe by then they may require No2 and No3)
 
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So apparently McLaren are running the flexi T-tray as well now, but it's still a bit beta grade, and it stopped working after some tyre marbles got wedged in it. And of course the flexi T-tray is responsible for getting the front wing lower to the ground to generate more downforce... hence the understeer.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Its my understanding that it will affect McLaren more than Red Bull though? Im sure Hamilton was moaning as much when it was banned mid-season.

Ferrari do seem best placed out of the top teams regards t converting their 2011 car to the 2012 package...

Ive always found Newey to come over as pragmatic and downplays the technical advances his team makes, think this is just a standard test for any designer...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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McLaren were hit badly with the removal off the off throttle blown diffuser, not the whole thing itself.

This was evident from when they first introduced it at Silverstone in 2010. While on the throttle, their EBD works really well, but when you lift off without the off throttle gas flow, they suddenly loose grip. The result was both Button and Hamilton going all over the grass multiple times in at Silverstone in 2010. They clearly have got things sorted for this year.

Removing the EBD totally will not affect them any more or less than any other team. McLarens issue was the large variance in grip between on and off throttle EBD. With no on throttle EBD, they wont suffer from a loss of grip, as it wont exist in the first place.

The rule changes next year should finally get the diffusers built to the specification the FIA tried to implement for 2009.

So basically, we have no idea who will build the best rear end :)
 
I think more teams will adopt the Mclaren L-shape sidepods next year, possibly even RBR.

The McLaren sidepods are really good at feeding the rear wing with clean air.

I think Ferrari will be off the pace again next year - they have no continuity with either the car nor personnel. I have a growing sense of optimism that McLaren will be fast out of the gates next year. Not sure why exactly. I think actually this years car has been good and they only really screwed up with the Octopus exhaust which cost them at least a third of the season to recover from. I dare say they won't make that mistake again!

The EBD loss is going to hurt everyone. Unless someone finds a killer new downforce concept, then all teams will have higher drag, less aero efficient, cars next year.
 
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You raise a good point. The loss of EBD's will cut a massive chunk of rear downforce. I would expect most teams to have been frantically trying to figure out ways of getting some back to avoid creating an unbalanced car, and the McLaren L shaped pods and the Williams uber compact rear end has likely caught some peoples eye.
 
I think that the race results at Silverstone 2011, will be indicative of just how reliant the cars were (at that stage), on EBD and off throttle maps.

Ferrari won the race so it is reasonable to assume that they are less reliant on that system.
 
sunama said:
I think that the race results at Silverstone 2011, will be indicative of just how reliant the cars were (at that stage), on EBD and off throttle maps.

Ferrari won the race so it is reasonable to assume that they are less reliant on that system.
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But they aren't banning off throttle maps, they are banning EBD's entirely! This is completely different to what was run at Silverstone so we cannot use those results as ay sort of yard stick.

Yes, McLaren and RBR were suceptable to a loss of off throttle maps, but that is only one part of the whole blown diffuser setup. Loosing the whole thing is far more wide reaching, accross the whole car design and accross the whole grid.

What was banned at Silverstone is not what is being banned at the end of the season.
 
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