Korean Grand Prix 2011, Yeongam Circuit - Race 16/19

FrankJH said:
Im not - but given the timing difference their performances on the day were nigh on identical, yet one is "great" and the other is "good" according to you

At the end of the day Lewis was holding up three faster cars, (as they werre keeping up with him/ each other despite the aero difficulties that LH didnt have to contend with) after dropping back from pole

Sorrry , did I miss a safety car period in the last 10-15 laps of the race when JB was within the aero region of Mark's car, and staying there relatively comfortably - ie easily enough time to drop significant time IF he was slower than Mark /Lewis

Fact is, Lewis was going as fast as he possibly could at the end, where as JB (and Mark / Alonso) were all being held up without enough significant advantage to get ahead of the McLaren (or each other).
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I think both McLaren drivers did a grand job all things considered.

JB had an awful start and did well to make up places. LH did really well to hold off MW for so long.

I've emboldened a section of your last post which I had to call you up on.

While you're correct that LH was driving in clean air, to say that he didn't have aero issues is a bit misleading considering the lack of downforce that both McLaren drivers complained about. Also, didn't LH have some debris lodged in his front wing?

I think the start of the show was, again, SV — he absolutely cruised it.

Well done Nuts, congratulations. :)
 
Todge said:
Also there is a rumour bouncing around that Lewis and Nicole have split. That might have something to do with his demeanour all weekend.

Also this was supposedly taken before the race this weekend

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Very interesting you say that because during the post qually conference I thought that exact thing - that maybe he has split with Nicole, because he looks so sad / hurt deep down and there's not many things that can make you look so sad... getting your heart broken is one of them though.
 
That would certainly explain a lot, he has looked unusually sad all weekend.

"If McLaren & Ferrari reckon they're closing on Red Bull, be warned. Adrian Newey chose to miss the race to focus on the 2012 car. Yikes" @SarahHolt Twitter.
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Shows they are fully concentrating on the 2012 car now.
"Newey has already revealed that next year's RB8 will amaze everyone."
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RB going for a more radical approach rather than a "simple" evolution as in previous seasons?
 
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What was post-race like (post podium and red button)? Had to rush off yesterday so didnt get to see them - wondering if I need to iPlayer it sooner rather than later. Guesthe forum cant be as good as last weeks tho :(...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Panzerbjorn said:
While you're correct that LH was driving in clean air, to say that he didn't have aero issues is a bit misleading considering the lack of downforce that both McLaren drivers complained about. Also, didn't LH have some debris lodged in his front wing?

I think the start of the show was, again, SV — he absolutely cruised it.

Well done Nuts, congratulations. :)
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This is what I was referring to as the other poster was making a prett big difference between the two McLaren's performance - I certainly didnt hear any reference to debris being trapped in Lewis's front wing from Brundle /Coulthard on Sunday during the race (I didnt listen /watch the F1 forum after)

dannyjo22 said:
What are you on about, you said he finished within a couple of seconds of Lewis. Well at one point that gap was closed up because of the safety car.

I'm sure if Lewis had finished behind Jenson in the same circumstances you would have been the first to point it out.

Jenson had an average weekend, you can tell from his interview he wasn't happy himself this weekend. I just don't get why his qualifying is still dog ****. I look at his performance since mid season 2009 and think it would take a car with such a performance advantage for his to consistently get poles again or even front row starts.

Why can't he get the best from the car on a saturday? Does he struggle to get tyre heat? Too conservative?
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He DID finish within a few seconds of Lewis.

I guess it went over your head that the FACT he was held up for the last 10 -15 laps shows that with free air he would have been faster to the flag than Lewis (as otherwise he would still have been dropping back during this period)

How is third in qualy "****"? less than 3 /10th's off pole? I guess Mark (who was 1/2s off Vettel ) was even worse, and I DREAD to think how Alonso is feeling being outqualified by Massa 4 out ot the last 6 times , or whatever the stat was that Brundle mentioned a few times!!

If he is winning races in this year's car (or last year's McLaren for that matter) , even in the dry (Japan) - in a car which is blatantly not any advantage over any other direct competitor, and all the podium's he is getting - its the team needing to irradicate mechanical failures that seem to be losing JB more points than majority of time / positions lost in quali

Coming off a win 7 days ago to a car obviously handling so badly in Korea (for both drivers) - and with it being so brilliant in the rain on Friday practice compared to everyone else - probably caused both JB and Lewis to be as down as they appeared after the race

Maybe he just prefers to allow the car to come to him a little more during the race than a lot of others who like doing out and out low fuel runs? If he regularly collects the big points does it matter so much when quali becmes less and less important
 
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it does seem that McLaren got the setup wrong for this race, massive under steer for both drivers. however Webber failed to get past Ham, and I doubt Alonso would have overtaken Button, so a decent effort by all concerned.
 
FrankJH said:
I guess it went over your head that the FACT he was held up for the last 10 -15 laps shows that with free air he would have been faster to the flag than Lewis (as otherwise he would still have been dropping back during this period)
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It did look to me like JB was just able to keep pace with MW/LH squabbling.

I expected him to keep within the 1 second DRS Zone, just in case he could capitalise on a mistake that would net him 2 places, or worse case, just attack MW using DRS+KERS and gained 1 position.. But as it turned out, he seem unable to keep within 1 second, he was ebbing and flowing as MW/LH tripped each other up.

Or are you saying that he had much more pace and yet sat there for 15 laps not making a move to get a possible podium?
 
Shimmy said:
Latest pics of the Indian GP circuit, looks very complete bar one stand.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=708714&page=101

From what I've heard there's plenty of undulation which is normally a good sign for a decent track.
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Although it obviously isn't an ideal representation, I absolutely love driving the new India circuit on F1 2011, it has a good mix of fast flowing corners with a few big stops.
Fingers-crossed it will produce a really good race, althought the fast flowing sections will probably mean that Vettel walks it :p
 
MW had the faster car of those 3, its hard to keep that close to another car so consistently without the package to compensate on the loss of overall performance, and LH did a great job keeping him behind in sector 1 so consistently (do feel DRS ruined a lot of natural racing - personally dont understand why DRS is put on places that already encourage overtakes anyway). Do think though that sums up his season, he just hasnt been able to utilise the superior package...

Dont think JB had the confidence in the car like he did in Monza to make decisive moves, it was an ok drive from him, nothing that special outside of reclaiming lost places from the first lap (note to any F1 drivers - never follow Massa in the first lap :p).

Find it hard to comment on LH without excusing his behaviour out of the cockpit, really good drive by him, but hes a bit messed up in the head tbh. If its true hes having relationship issues why the snide remark at the stewards AGAIN? Hes just quite an immature boy at time...

EDIT: Oh yeah, good race Vettel. Great gumption to overtake LH so quickly and then once hes outside the 1second DRS zone to manage the race from the front again.

Oh Ferrari, why be so naive and not use team orders? Makes you look stupid, considering what youve done in the past.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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FrankJH said:
I guess it went over your head that the FACT he was held up for the last 10 -15 laps shows that with free air he would have been faster to the flag than Lewis
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Webber set a couple of fastest laps I believe near the end of the race (in dirty air I might add), so it's not like Hamilton was driving slowly to keep Webber behind. In fact, Hamilton even set a fastest lap of his own on the penultimate lap, so even on 20-lap-old tyres he wasn't exactly slow. I sincerely doubt JB was being held up in the final half of the race.
 
Shimmy said:
Latest pics of the Indian GP circuit, looks very complete bar one stand.
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i should hope it does, they are racing there in a few days :p

as for buttons pace, it looked like he was doing his best but could only match the two infront of him, if he was faster he would have been on webbers gearbox like webber was on hamilton.


i think both webber and hamilton did amazing jobs considering they were battling for 30 laps and still made the tires last aslong as vettel and button who were just driving their races and not fighting with anyone.
 
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