Kyle Rittenhouse - teen who shot three people in Kenosha

[deuse]

Charges relating to transporting firearms dropped.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-rittenhouse-posts-2-million-bond-no-n1248450



All things seem to be moving in the favour of libertarians here.

Great news.

 

[deuse]

Anyone think the system of bail in the US gets a bit absurd?

I can understand having some amount deposited to try and ensure someone who has been charged complies with their bail conditions and turns up when they're supposed to etc.. I guess I can understand the bail bondsmen system whereby some third party can stump up the amount and then will track you down if you fail to show or flee.

But with these headline cases the amounts get a bit silly and seemingly rather pointless... bail was set at 2 million... so a bunch of rich donors have stumped up the cash... so where is the risk for the suspect? If he was going to flee over the border to say Mexico then it isn't his 2 million that stands to be lost. Seems somewhat unlikely that he actually is a flight risk tbh..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55024994

It's best if you understand the system first.

1st he didn't pay the $2 ml, he paid a percentage of it. They all do.
Unless you live in a sanctuary state, then you just walk until your court case.

2n The judge can ask for cash only.

 

[deuse]

He had already killed someone at that point for the grevious crime of throwing a plastic bag.

How did he know that it was only a plastic bag?
could have been acid in a container in it.

 

[deuse]

None of those replies address the issue that he was out of place with a firearm he was not meant to have .

You do know that 1000s are arrested for fire arms that they are not supposed to have every day?
It's not a big thing there. More like a misdemeanor.

 

[dowie]

It's best if you understand the system first.

1st he didn't pay the $2 ml, he paid a percentage of it. They all do.
Unless you live in a sanctuary state, then you just walk until your court case.

2n The judge can ask for cash only.

He didn’t pay any of it AFAIK, what do you mean by part of it? What is that in reference to?

 

[deuse]

American bail is set up specifically to lock up the poorer members of society whilst offering a get out of jail card for the more wealthy.
Justice may well be blind, but in the US system she can still feel how much cash you've got in your wallet.

It's not uncommon for you to spend longer in jail awaiting trial than the penalty for your alleged crime for a lot of really minor things.

IIRC there are pre trial detention centres (jails) where a huge percentage of those incarcerated have been there for 6 months, with a year or more not being uncommon.
It's one of the reasons they have so many people who are innocent but take "plea deals" - because they can't afford to post bail, and know they're likely to be locked up for months before they ever get a chance to see a courtroom properly, and once they've done a plea deal they're screwed the next time they're arrested for anything.

Which state are you talking about?
A normal state or a sanctuary state?

 

[dowie]

The reason they were chasing him down and attacking him was because he'd already killed someone. Stupid on their part granted

The reason he killed that person was he was being chased down and then attacked by him. Not to mention one of the rioters discharging a gun behind him too. Some of the same people then carried on chasing him down as he fled towards the police.

 

[deuse]

He didn’t pay any of it AFAIK, what do you mean by part of it? What is that in reference to?

You only pay a percentage of the bail unless a judge says you have to pay cash.
Most likely 10% of $2 ml.

No one pays there bail.
You put your home\truck\boat up as collateral

 

[dowie]

You only pay a percentage of the bail unless a judge says you have to pay cash.
Most likely 10% of $2 ml.

No one pays there bail.
You put your home\truck\boat up as collateral

That doesn’t make any sense here, what collateral does a random 17 year old have that is worth 2 million?

Again, you’ve missed the point, he didn’t pay any of the bail AFAIK, it was raised from third party donations. Whether he has had to set aside 1.8 million in a bank account as collateral and put down 200k as collateral with the court... or just put up the 2 million it makes no difference. He had to raise 2 million in cash that he doesn’t have and once raised it’s not his anyway, he has no personal loss if it is forfeited.

 

[deuse]

That doesn’t make any sense here, what collateral does a random 17 year old have that is worth 2 million?

Again, you’ve missed the point, he didn’t pay any of the bail AFAIK, it was raised from third party donations. Whether he has had to set aside 1.8 million in a bank account as collateral and put down 200k as collateral with the court... or just put up the 2 million it makes no difference. He had to raise 2 million in cash that he doesn’t have and once raised it’s not his anyway, he has no personal loss if it is forfeited.

Again.
It's best you read up on it.

If I wanted to, I could put up the deeds to a house for his bail.
All it means is that if he skips bail I would lose my(pretend) house.

But in a sanctuary state he would most likely have no bail imposed.

 

[Freakbro]

That doesn’t make any sense here, what collateral does a random 17 year old have that is worth 2 million?

It wouldn't need to be $2M. You would use a bondsman who would take say a 10% charge in collateral (from anyone, not necessarily Kyle) then their insurance 'covers' the bail.

The only time you pay the bond in full is when done in cash, and yes, in this case it looks like the full $2M was raised by fundraising,

 

[dowie]

It wouldn't need to be $2M. You would use a bondsman who would take say a 10% charge in collateral (from anyone, not necessarily Kyle) then their insurance 'covers' the bail.

The only time you pay the bond in full is when done in cash, and yes, in this case it looks like the full $2M was raised by fundraising,

This is incorrect, Wisconsin doesn't allow bail bondsmen.

They have provision if a family member can put up 10% but I expect in this case the family couldn't afford to simply deposit 200k ergo... they the required 2 million in cash.

 

[dowie]

Again.
It's best you read up on it.

If I wanted to, I could put up the deeds to a house for his bail.
All it means is that if he skips bail I would lose my(pretend) house.

But in a sanctuary state he would most likely have no bail imposed.

I have, he doens't have a house worth 2 million and neither does his famil AFAIK... erog he had to raise 2 million in cash.

Ask yourself this if there was some other obvious alternative then why didn't he use that alternative?

His lawyers are all dumb to have raised the 2 million but deuse from the internet knows better?

 

[deuse]

I have, he doens't have a house worth 2 million and neither does his famil AFAIK... erog he had to raise 2 million in cash.

Ask yourself this if there was some other obvious alternative then why didn't he use that alternative?

His lawyers are all dumb to have raised the 2 million but deuse from the internet knows better?

It doesn't matter what you feel or think.
It's the law that counts.

If you want to change it, move there and vote.

 

[Dis86]

Eh? Did you even read what dowie wrote?

 

[Raz]

If you want to change it, move there and vote.

Seems a funny point to make right now.

 

[Freakbro]

This is incorrect, Wisconsin doesn't allow bail bondsmen.

They have provision if a family member can put up 10% but I expect in this case the family couldn't afford to simply deposit 200k ergo... they the required 2 million in cash.

Ahh fair enough, I didn't look specifically at WI regulations. Explains why it went down the fundraising route.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

The reason he killed that person was he was being chased down and then attacked by him. Not to mention one of the rioters discharging a gun behind him too. Some of the same people then carried on chasing him down as he fled towards the police.

He wasn't chased down. One man walked towards his person space and maybe reached towards his weapon. Whether that's self defense or not will be a contentious argument.

And oh okay, it's okay to shoot a random person because you heard a shot somewhere

 

[Dis86]

He wasn't chased down. One man walked towards his person space and maybe reached towards his weapon. Whether that's self defense or not will be a contentious argument.

And oh okay, it's okay to shoot a random person because you heard a shot somewhere

Incorrect. Suggest you read the eyewitness reports or view the footage of the incident.


Here's a wiki extract to show how wrong you are though;

"As Rittenhouse was running from Rosenbaum, two shots can be heard, one from an unknown third party, fired for an unknown reason, and one from Joshua Ziminski, who fired a self-described "warning shot" into the air,[36] causing Rittenhouse to stop running and turn towards the sound of Ziminski's shot.[5] On-the-scene reporter Richie McGinniss has since stated that the sound of the shot was the moment Rittenhouse “went from running away to aiming his weapon”."

 

[steve45]

He wasn't chased down. One man walked towards his person space and maybe reached towards his weapon. Whether that's self defense or not will be a contentious argument.

And oh okay, it's okay to shoot a random person because you heard a shot somewhere

You've watched the footage right? multiple angles clearly demonstrate Kyle being chased around the back of the car by the first scumbag whilst someone pops a shot off very near by.
He had every right to defend himself, he was in real danger of being physically assaulted.