La lune de miel est terminée!

I wonder if they'll charge the copper who murdered the innocent 80 year old woman with anything? She was just in her own home minding her own business and got shot in the face by a tear gas round as she closed her curtains.
 
Sasahara said:
I'm pretty sure the UK has plenty of protesters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_riots
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Yes, the protests in advance of the illegal invasion of Iraq is an example. The Poll Tax riots were notable in that they got rid of the hated Grantham Gorgon,

The French protests were initially triggered by Macron's fuel tax rise which was intended to combat climate change and pollution in Paris at the expense of the rest of the country. However, the spark took hold as a result of underlying anger over Macron's love affair with the rich elite and austerity.

Macron has now suspended the fuel tax rise, let's see if it all dies down.
 
Macron had better fast track the EU army as from what I've seen it seems his own public servicemen are standing with the people. I'm sure the media will continue to tell us how great a leader he is just because he's a stooge for the EU.
 
Never ever understood how burning cars and looting shops is "protesting".

Surely it just means an increase in council tax to clean it all up and a hike in insurance for anyone living in the district. Protest yes, but looters and arsonists should get everything the police can dish out, absolute scum. Of course the people doing this won't own their own business or have any clue the devastation they are causing to families.

Destroying the property of fellow citizens is despicable.
 
Any topic:

Outside the UK = EU's evil doing
Inside the UK = Pandering to xyz

Makes me wonder if some of the GD members are just bots...

This protest is more than just about fuel. There is economical disparity between major cities and rural areas and this fuel tax impacts those who have to commute far for a living. The social welfare system ignores many of these people due to their higher income despite their much higher cost of living due to travel. The protesters are pushing for some sort of change and more than just a token fuel tax halt, they are sick of the inequality between those in the major urban areas and those in rural areas. The reason why they feel justified in wrecking the wealthier parts of the city is because these wealthier parts represent the benefactors of the equality they have come to protest.

I personally don't agree with the way the protests are going and especially with the rioting and theft that seems to follow any chaotic situation due to opportunists. That said, it doesn't mean i don't sympathize with the french people's cause to an extent

The french do love a good revolution.
 
Days and days of protests and I've not seen a single barricade being erected. All of the protesters seem so angry as well, why are there no proles singing in beer halls? Paris has changed.

In other news I was actually walking down the Champs Elysees the day before one of the larger riots, bloody glad I missed that bullet, be it metaphorical or rubber.
 
Seems like the French government have caved in now, they won't impose the planned tax rise in January... which means they'll presumably need to either raise taxes elsewhere or impose some more cuts to planned spending.
 
dowie said:
Seems like the French government have caved in now, they won't impose the planned tax rise in January... which means they'll presumably need to either raise taxes elsewhere or impose some more cuts to planned spending.
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This tax halt is barely a concession too. As you say the money will come from somewhere else and the main reason why people are disgruntled (economic disparity) will be left untouched. People won't feel satisfied with the result and it will just lead to a fringe politician gaining round next election.
 
Alternatively, they could always break the mold and clamp down on Tax Dodging?
However, Macron will not want to upset his sponsors just before the Festive Season ;)
 
Avenged7Fold said:
This tax halt is barely a concession too. As you say the money will come from somewhere else and the main reason why people are disgruntled (economic disparity) will be left untouched. People won't feel satisfied with the result and it will just lead to a fringe politician gaining round next election.
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Well they had Hollande with his tax the rich at 75% thing... prompting loads of the rich to simply leave. Now they've got Macron and his environmental, tax rule policies, the rich have returned and are paying taxes but he's upset a load of proles.

stockhausen said:
Alternatively, they could always break the mold and clamp down on Tax Dodging?
However, Macron will not want to upset his sponsors just before the Festive Season ;)
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Do you think they're happy with tax dodging at the moment or something? Like until now no one in France has ever thought to crack down on people actively breaking the law?
 
dowie said:
Well they had Hollande with his tax the rich at 75% thing... prompting loads of the rich to simply leave. Now they've got Macron and his environmental, tax rule policies, the rich have returned and are paying taxes but he's upset a load of proles.
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Yes i remember their crazy 75% tax on incomes above 1 million. That tax was used to appease the sort of people protesting now but came at a huge price and was not massively effective at increasing tax earned.

He thought he can pass a tax for the good of the environment and get away with it is difficult to convince people with already thin wallets that giving more money away is for everyone's best interest.

I think the solution to this is not an easy one. He needs to appease the working class for now by reshuffling the social welfare system and create mid-long term projects focusing on suburban developments - bringing opportunity to those further away from major cities while relieving pressure on the working class in major cities. Something that will take massive investment, long term unopposed leadership... so that isn't happening.
 
dowie said:
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Do you think they're happy with tax dodging at the moment or something? Like until now no one in France has ever thought to crack down on people actively breaking the law?
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You may be unable to grasp the difference between tax Evasion and aggressive tax Avoidance (Dodging) which while perfectly legal is sometimes considered to be unethical and unacceptable to the majority who are unable to set up shell companies in Luxembourg to charge out their highly specialised labour as shelf stackers or road sweepers and to make them low interest "loans".
 
dowie said:
This has got little to do with austerity but rather the price of fuel, something the government doesn't really have direct control over anyway aside form the rate of tax they apply.

If anything if the goal is for the government to cut tax on fuel then that means even less income for the government and more tax needed elsewhere or.... more cuts/austerity.
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Correct, nothing to do with Austerity at all.

These austerity flappers, they dont even know what real austerity is. The Germans practised proper austerity for decades and look where they are now. The frothing UK populous foaming against austerity, literally have no idea what they are talking about. It has been a few trimmings around the fat compared to true austerity.
 
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