Lad breaks into a house and is killed...

Whilst I'd like to say that killing someone in response to them wanting to steal some of your possessions is inappropriate, I would also say that burglary is not the only reason people break into your house. For instance if you have a family you can never be too careful and you never know what weapons the intruder is carrying.

I believe that it is well within the right of the person living in that house to respond with appropriate force, and again without knowing the disposition of the intruder this anyone breaking into a house should be well aware that people are willing to defend their family's life with their own or the intruder's.
 
nydryl said:
I'm sure there are people on these forums that will have committed burglarly when they were young and naive and wouldn't see death as a fair penalty for their crime.
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My parents taught me the difference between right and wrong when i was 4. I have never burgled a house.
 
int said:
How can they tell that Tony Martin shot his intruder whilst he was running away? Surely a shot in the back could also be the result of the intruder turning as he saw the gun, yet technically not fleeing the scene...
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He didn't have to fire the gun if the guy was turning to run. The gun had already served it's purpose in scaring off the kid. The shot was unecessary.
 
live by the sword, die by the sword.

if you decide that breaking and entering is your chosen career path then do so knowing someone at somepoint will open a whole can of whoop ass on you and you could end up on the slab.

Zero sympathy from me, scumbag house thieves deserve everything they get from the people whose houses the chose to violate.
 
int said:
How can they tell that Tony Martin shot his intruder whilst he was running away? Surely a shot in the back could also be the result of the intruder turning as he saw the gun, yet technically not fleeing the scene...
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Because if he turned to flee then you still can't shoot. you have to feel directly threatened.

They can also tell a lot about trajectory and distance etc.
 
DampCat said:
He didn't have to fire the gun if the guy was turning to run. The gun had already served it's purpose in scaring off the kid. The shot was unecessary.
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No, firing the gun was wholely necessary to make sure that sucking sack of maggot puke burglar wouldn't return.
 
Skyfall said:
Whilst I'd like to say that killing someone in response to them wanting to steal some of your possessions is inappropriate, I would also say that burglary is not the only reason people break into your house. For instance if you have a family you can never be too careful and you never know what weapons the intruder is carrying.

I believe that it is well within the right of the person living in that house to respond with appropriate force, and again without knowing the disposition of the intruder this anyone breaking into a house should be well aware that people are willing to defend their family's life with their own or the intruder's.
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Aye, killing someone over a possession isn't worth it and is excessive. However if you add in a family, that in your eyes you should "defend", I believe resorting to killing is unwanted, but necessary in some cases.

You hear all of this "appropriate force" thrown around, however can you really judge what appropriate is at the time of the incident, in the heat of the moment with your body fired up to do do whatever it takes to defend your home?

e: Cheers for clearing up the Tony Martin query guys :)
 
This is the worst place to bring up a subject like this. Everyone gets out their keyboards and spouts loads of crap.

The kid didnt deserve to die for what he did. Many people have points in their lives where they do foolish things. Someone breaking into your house to steal your stuff is horrible, but stabbing them to death is far worse.
 
Le_Petit_Lapin said:
Nah it wasn't. It'll teach the wee bugger to think twice before entering someone's house without permission again.
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wildman said:
No, firing the gun was wholely necessary to make sure that sucking sack of maggot puke burglar wouldn't return.
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With all due respect, it's not up to the general public to teach people how to behave.

I would defend myself and my family if i had to, dont get me wrong. I wouldnt beat or shoot someone unecessarily, though. My primary concern is to get them out of my house, not to uphold the law, dish out justice or become a vigilante.
 
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As I said at the time, the mistake that Tony Martin made was not killing both of 'em and building a new cowshed over 'em.
 
z0mbi3 said:
here's the memorial page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86897050448

Sounds like /b/ has had a go at the description :o

Thing is with comments like the below it's not surprising people will be quick to assume the worse of him.

"Chek ow u can only hate on facebook u sad ********. Cum 2 bulwell n c wot da 500 man dat joined dis group do 2 ya innit.... Nor i didnt fink so cor u no wot u wud get n there sure as hell wudnt b 500 man sayin rip 2 u"
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Cannot understand a word of that :*( translation?
 
If he had indeed broken into the house then it brings a smile to my face and warms the heart that he ended up stabbed to death.
1 less tink to worry about in the world, hopefully more burglars will meet a worse, more painful fate. :)

Edit: I'm not with the "it's only burglary" brigade, I look upon it as one of the worst crimes people have to experience. Can not understand people's forgiving attitudes to intruders causing mass distress on here.
 
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People that break into your property, invade your privacy, and try to steal stuff that you've worked hard for all your life deserve everything they get!
 
No sympathy for the kid. Obviously a poorly raised, poorly educated idiot. If it's true that he's committed other burglaries, then it's acceptable that upon taking the risk of death, he gets it.
 
Think of the money this country will save though. He would eventually been caught, lived a nice cosy life in prison with a PS3, re-trained and released only to go back to his 'gansta' pals and start comminting crimes again, all paid for by the tax payer.

Shame it was just the one and not gang of them. I expect to see new self defence rules in the next budget. Self defence/Chav cullingTax breaks
 
5ingh said:
People that break into your property, invade your privacy, and try to steal stuff that you've worked hard for all your life deserve everything they get!
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Our house was burgled 3 times when I was younger, and its a horrible feeling knowing some ***** have been through your stuff. But at the same time without knowing people properly I couldnt wish death on them.

People get in situations where burglary, thieft and general crime somehow seem their only option. Im not saying this is the case of this lad. Because I dont know him. But its still a shame in my eyes that his life took a path that ended like this.
 
5ingh said:
People that break into your property, invade your privacy, and try to steal stuff that you've worked hard for all your life deserve everything they get!
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So its okay to end someone's life over a bunch of insured stuff?

Every case like this should be dealt with within context anyway and any generalisations made are completely stupid.

In some cases, harming the burgler could be justified if you are threatened or if they keep doing it and are never caught or whatever.

But to make the statement that killing someone over your new HDTV is worthwhile is a ridiculous thing to say.

rayer said:
Think of the money this country will save though. He would eventually been caught, lived a nice cosy life in prison with a PS3, re-trained and released only to go back to his 'gansta' pals and start comminting crimes again, all paid for by the tax payer.

Shame it was just the one and not gang of them. I expect to see new self defence rules in the next budget. Self defence/Chav cullingTax breaks
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Oh right, here we go. The taxes argument.

Maybe we should just kill everyone that's in jail already then? Seeing how they don't meet up to your standards, they are undeservering of life (in your view) and cost us money.
 
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