Lad breaks into a house and is killed...

So its okay to end someone's life over a bunch of insured stuff?

Yes, yes it is. Just because something is insured that does not mean it will be replaced.

"Oh look, they've stolen all my dead parents things that I kept to remember them, it's ok though, insurance will replace these treasured items!"

Or not...
Does insurance also wipe out the hideous feeling of knowing someone was in your house?

I will never understand why burglary isn't seen as a "serious" crime, it's a disgusting thing to happen to anyone. I don't see how it could ever be "the only option."
Would be burglars could always save the grief and cut their wrists, that's always an alternative.
 
Shock news as no-one appreciates concept of "reasonable force"!

Please proceed with your keyboard warrioring about how you'd dismember anyone who set foot inside your house without permission.

explain reasonable force, go on.

So someone is standing in your living room, you can't possibly know if they have anything from mace to a stun gun to a knife/gun on them. What would reasonable force be if they didn't go and jump directly out of the nearest window. You decide to hold them, what if they are stronger than you, what if as you go to subdue someone with your reasonable force the guy pulls a gun and shoots you for "attempting to use reasonable force" to subdue them.

Do you stop and ask the guy just how strong he is and what weapons he has on him so you can decide what is reasonable force. Or do you use your brain, assume a robber has actually thought about what to do in said situation already, STILL gone ahead with the robbery most likely quite happy to assault someone to get away rather than be caught and realise he could have anything on him and theres quite literally only one way to guarentee your safety.

REasonable force is ridiculously easy to quantify AFTER the fact in hindsight. What if someone subdue's a guy just knocking him to the ground then tying him up, later on a gun is found on the guy, so reasonable force might have been to kill him, you might have been just too fast for the guy to get it out or taken him by surprise. Reasonable force by and large is a terrible idea as its very simple put, impossible to quantify until every last fact of the situation is known, its also impossible to have all these facts on the spot with no time to find everything out.

For me, I'd happily side with the guy who went too far protecting his family, than the guy who broke in and had already commited a crime.
 
Where this idea comes from that theres a bunch of really nice robber's out there who would run away at the mere asking by a homeowner and would never dream of doing anything violent, I don't know, people are just stupid/naive.

I don't know anyone who's suggesting that burglars are a 'nice bunch of people', only that its not worth it to just kill them on the spot with no other justification than they were stealing your stuff.

I certainly wouldn't react to my house being burgled in a violent way because I'd probably get stabbed or something and come out of much worse than a few possessions being nicked.
 
Yes, yes it is. Just because something is insured that does not mean it will be replaced.

"Oh look, they've stolen all my dead parents things that I kept to remember them, it's ok though, insurance will replace these treasured items!"

Or not...
Does insurance also wipe out the hideous feeling of knowing someone was in your house?

I will never understand why burglary isn't seen as a "serious" crime, it's a disgusting thing to happen to anyone. I don't see how it could ever be "the only option."
Would be burglars could always save the grief and cut their wrists, that's always an alternative.

Well no, I wouldn't be at all willing to kill anyone over some stuff, no matter how irreplaceable.

The 'hideous feeling' of someone being in your house would be quickly erased by the hideous feeling of murdering someone, possibly with their blood ending up all over you.
 
Because if he turned to flee then you still can't shoot. you have to feel directly threatened.

They can also tell a lot about trajectory and distance etc.

Easy to say in the cold light of day. Try being a frightened old man alone in your house which some gypsies have just broken into.
 
hopefully other burglars will see this and it might put them off a little


and while i agree that death is not a valid punishment fro burglary its the government and the law that should and could do something about it

they need a middleground somewhere between community service/short prison spell and being killed by the home owner. burglars need MUCH tougher jail sentances
 
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I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact he's obviously a thieving little ****, no doubt this isn't the first time he's done something like this too.

I agree, and did laugh at the page, but still think it is maybe a little disrespectful... maybe not to the kid, but to his family.
 
Well no, I wouldn't be at all willing to kill anyone over some stuff, no matter how irreplaceable.

The 'hideous feeling' of someone being in your house would be quickly erased by the hideous feeling of murdering someone, possibly with their blood ending up all over you.


I never said I would kill or even attack an intruder to my home, you couldn't possibly know until it happened. I'd rather not get a knife rammed in my stomach though...

That doesn't stop me enjoying the sweet karma of what has happened here. (Again assuming it was a burlgary and there wasn't any funny business...
You have to laugh at the "he was a lovely boy" comments.
 
I don't know anyone who's suggesting that burglars are a 'nice bunch of people', only that its not worth it to just kill them on the spot with no other justification than they were stealing your stuff.

I certainly wouldn't react to my house being burgled in a violent way because I'd probably get stabbed or something and come out of much worse than a few possessions being nicked.

Then if they see you, decide witness's are bad and come after you, what then.

THe point is seriously think about if you really wanted to rob your neighbour, think like a robber, think about what you'd consider before even deciding to do it.

If I was going to rob someone and didn't want to go to jail, obviously you try to do it when no ones home, although in lovely england we actually have a very very high percentage of robberies commited while people are in the house. If someone comes home while you're there what will you do, to pretend the majority of robbers have never even come up with these questions is ridiculous. For me, if someone found me and I had the choice of lying on the floor and giving up, going to jail and getting bummed, I'd choose to hit/attack whoever tried to stop me getting away. Pretending that most robbies haven't decided the same thing is ridiculous.

My point is, killing might not be a justified response to someone who was truly willing to give up should he get caught and never harm a fly, but killing is no where near overkill when you consider the burglar almost certainly went in with the intention of violently assaulting anyone that got in their way. The majority of burglars ARE the latter, seriously how many situations can you come up with when thinking about robbing someone to guarentee not having to hurt someone to get away.

The other problem is you simply can't possible know which burglar who walks into the room you were hiding is, is. He might give up in 5 seconds, but in 5 seconds he could be pulling the trigger that ends your life. Considering the fact the homeowner in most situations has no possible idea what the person who broke into the home is willing to do or capable of its rather harsh to limit what they can do to protect themselves.

The burglars have all the protection they need, but deciding NOT to commit the burglary they are completely and utterly safe. The burglar brings everything on themselves by making the decision and why anyone else should get the blame for his choice is a joke.
 
That facebook page is gold
how would u feel if i cam to 1 of ur houses n killed 1 of u familey that u love so much
facepalm
 
There are far too many righteous people here. In my opinion he got his just deserts. Its clearly not the first time he'd robbed someone, probably going to make a career out of it. He would have become one of two things in life, most likely in jail costing the tax paying public good money too keep him there, or still in public robbing houses, causing the law abiding people of his estate to have to pay more insurance premiums. In fact probably not, the people there probably don't have house insurance.
 
I never said I would kill or even attack an intruder to my home, you couldn't possibly know until it happened. I'd rather not get a knife rammed in my stomach though...

That doesn't stop me enjoying the sweet karma of what has happened here. (Again assuming it was a burlgary and there wasn't any funny business...
You have to laugh at the "he was a lovely boy" comments.

Well, I don't believe in any 'eye for an eye' nonsense. The kid shouldn't have been killed and ideally been caught by the police and arrested.

But like I said, every situation is specific to its own individual context. I don't really care about the 'he was a lovely boy' comments. What does annoy me is the keyboard warrior junk that people spout when they say they'd kill the burglar or whatever. More likely they're stupid internet tough guys who'd probably cower in a corner in real life.

Burgarly is wrong, but in general terms, it isn't wrong to the point of murder.
 
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