Laurence Fox

Tony Edwards said:
Are you honestly trying to claim that Farage isnt of the far/alt right spectrum?

Now that really would be insufferable.
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I would consider him centre right. What policies of his when launching the Brexit party are you claiming place him on the far right? Perhaps you can clearly define what you consider to be centre right, right wing, far right, first so we can have a meaningful discussion. Can you perhaps concede that calling someone slightly right of centre, whoever that might be is not "on the far/alt right spectrum?" Just as placing someone slightly left of centre does not make them on the spectrum towards communism? Fascism, Nazism, etc. have very specific meanings, as does the term "alt right" see people like Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor etc. Farage does not align himself with these ideas.

Honestly I don't know why I'm replying to you as your stance is so simplistic. You see someone opposing illegal, yes ILLEGAL migration and you think that's far right. There is no way forward with you as we cannot agree on simple terms.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
I would consider him centre right.
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Oh hahahahhaha hahaha. I see. Haha. No wonder you lot think Im hard left and good old Foxys rhetoric is in safe grounds, your centre is way off.

Farage centre right, I never, wait what? This is trolling surely?

Forget about illegal migration (funny its never usualy called that in these types of threads) thats a distraction. No one mention it but you. Either way are you now really trying to claim that all Farage and his cronies are about is illegal immigration? Really?
Nigel Farage discussed the idea of fronting a global alliance of populist and far-right politicians being put together by the controversial former White House strategist Steve Bannon, it has emerged.

Farage said he would be keen to take the role after Bannon discussed the idea of forming a group based around populism and “economic nationalism”, with potential members including Hungary’s Viktor Orbán and Rodrigo Duterte, the Philippines leader who is accused of presiding over mass rights abuses and who has admitted authorising extrajudicial killings.

In discussions spanning 2017 and last year, the Brexit party leader also discussed the concept in detail with Mischaël Modrikamen, a far-right Belgian politician who worked with Farage in Brussels.

The idea later became an initiative called the Movement, a Brussels-based foundation led by Bannon for rightwing populist parties.
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Tony Edwards said:
Oh hahahahhaha hahaha. I see. Haha. No wonder you lot think Im hard left and good old Foxys rhetoric is in safe grounds, your centre is way off.

Farage centre right, I never, wait what? This is trolling surely?

Forget about illegal migration (funny its never usualy called that in these types of threads) thats a distraction. No one mention it but you. Either way are you now really trying to claim that all Farage and his cronies are about is illegal immigration? Really?
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That's what I thought. You cannot define your terms and so we cannot move forward. I won't waste my time any further.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
That's what I thought. You cannot define your terms and so we cannot move forward. I won't waste my time any further.
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Haha I love the indignation of people like you. It must be the opposite feeling of drinking liberal tears.

Farage, centre right. Thats going to have me chuckling for days now. I take it Trump is just a misunderstood centre right politician aswell then?
 
stockhausen said:
It is a mystery to me that people who use computers and the Internet can get through a week without discovering Wikipedia; presumably they don't use old fashioned paper dictionaries either :(

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

ps - I wasn't aware that Farage was a huge fan of legal immigration :eek:
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From your link which do you think Farage fits into?

Far-right politics, also referred to as the extreme right or right-wing extremism,[1][2] are politics further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of extremist nationalism,[3][4] nativist ideologies, and authoritarian tendencies.[5][6]

Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, white supremacism, white nationalism[8] and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views.[9]

Far-right politics can lead to oppression, violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and even genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group,[10][11] nation, state,[12] national religion, dominant culture, or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[13]

Again I'm not a fan of Farage but how can you claim he is any of the above? Alt right, Fascism, Nazism, authoritarianism? Please demonstrate how he fits into the above?

As far as I'm aware the only thing he is guilty of is national pride and perhaps vaguely nationalistic. That doesn't mean he is a white nationalist. Definitions are important.

Perhaps worth a read:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-is-not-far-right-
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
From your link which do you think Farage fits into?

Far-right politics, also referred to as the extreme right or right-wing extremism,[1][2] are politics further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of extremist nationalism,[3][4] nativist ideologies, and authoritarian tendencies.[5][6]

Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, white supremacism, white nationalism[8] and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views.[9]

Far-right politics can lead to oppression, violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and even genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group,[10][11] nation, state,[12] national religion, dominant culture, or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[13]

Again I'm not a fan of Farage but how can you claim he is any of the above? Alt right, Fascism, Nazism, authoritarianism? Please demonstrate how he fits into the above?

As far as I'm aware the only thing he is guilty of is national pride and perhaps vaguely nationalistic. That doesn't mean he is a white nationalist. Definitions are important.

Perhaps worth a read:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-is-not-far-right-
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LOL The Spectator. The basten of all that is centre ground. Of course Farage isnt far right to them. They are skirting fairly close to it themself.

It says in your piece far right is nationalism, nativist ideologies then go on to say all he is guilty of is the above yet you still claim he doesnt fit that narative.
 
Tony Edwards said:
LOL The Spectator. The basten of all that is centre ground. Of course Farage isnt far right to them. They are skirting fairly close to it themself.
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Again you are confusing conservative with far right and refuse to accept that there is a distinction. You talk about a far right "spectrum" yet fail to understand what a spectrum is.
 
You are an "EU Nationalist" @Tony Edwards, defending an organisation that has expanded it's influence and control since it's inception, we just wanted the ability to retain our own Democracy and sovereign state and not be consumed by an organisation we have too little influence in. Nigel Farage is the opposite of an authoritarian, his entire purpose was to free us from the EU, your goal is ever expanding levels of government, it baffles me how you can call anyone Authoritarian.
 
Roar87 said:
You are an "EU Nationalist" @Tony Edwards, defending an organisation that has expanded it's influence and control since it's inception, we just wanted the ability to retain our own Democracy and sovereign state and not be consumed by an organisation we have too little influence in. Nigel Farage is the opposite of an authoritarian, his entire purpose was to free us from the EU, your goal is ever expanding levels of government, it baffles me how you can call anyone Authoritarian.
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LOOL
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
"LOOL" and "No you are". Tony's debating skills in a nutshell.
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Oh come on you posted a list of the requirements of alt/far right then said that Farage is some of those requirements then claim he isnt in that spectrum. Come on, whats your debating skills? Your rebuttals are ridiculous. You even claimed that all Farage was guilty of was not wanting illegal immigrants in the country.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Oh come on you posted a list of the requirements of alt/far right then said that Farage is some of those requirements then claim he isnt in that spectrum. Come on, whats your debating skills? Your rebuttals are ridiculous. You even claimed that all Farage was guilty of was not wanting illegal immigrants in the country.
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No. Stockhausen posted a wiki link and I copied the top paragraph to ask how Farage fitted with those definitions usually attributed to the far right, i.e. Facism, Alt Right, White Nationalism etc. and I'm still waiting for an answer. Again I'm loathe to defend Farage but any reasonable person can see he is none of these things. You might not like him or some of his politics but to paint him into this corner is completely unfair and unfounded.

If by "He is on the spectrum" you mean he leans to the right so therefore I'm going to take the worst possible extreme then fine. That ignores the spectrum though and paints everyone into the far left and far right when in reality 95% of people fit into neither category.

Anyway this is a thread about Fox and is way off topic now.
 
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