Laurence Fox

Thanks and you're absolutely right, it doesn't prove how clever I am and it was never meant to as it was an extremely simple point for most people to understand - "there are two views and different people will pick different views".

However it shows who doesn't read posts fully and then who decides to make up something just so that they can then argue against the thing that they just made up :)

Yep, I'll get back to licking windows while the grown ups continue their important discussion.
 
In times when women are being persecuted by friends for dating Trump supporters (true story I read earlier) it's refreshing to see someone embracing diversity of thought and freedom of expression, too many people today are guilty of just cowardly trying to blend in with the herd and not be noticed by not having any values of their own other than the positions fed to them by their echo chamber/social bubble.

It's easy to see how countries fall to tyrannies when people stop being individuals with strong moral values and just go along with the crowd for an easy life.

tbh if you're over 35 and have an actual life then you wouldn't know about all of the sjw and cancel culture going on. Take a step back and think about the current face plant of politics and "stuff" being thrown at you on social media and youtube and think why is it?
 
In times when women are being persecuted by friends for dating Trump supporters (true story I read earlier) it's refreshing to see someone embracing diversity of thought and freedom of expression, too many people today are guilty of just cowardly trying to blend in with the herd and . . .
What on Earth do you spend your time reading that includes these terrible, heart rending tales of persecution?
. . . It's easy to see how countries fall to tyrannies . . .
I take it that this is a reference to America falling under the malign influence of a dangerous, deranged, narcissistic lunatic?
 
What on Earth do you spend your time reading that includes these terrible, heart rending tales of persecution?

I'm guessing it's an oblique reference to Jodie Comer, who got the double whammy of idiots saying she's a traitor for dating an alleged Trump voter (unconfirmed) and should therefore not be allowed to play a bisexual character in Killing Eve.
 
I'm guessing it's an oblique reference to Jodie Comer, who got the double whammy of idiots saying she's a traitor for dating an alleged Trump voter (unconfirmed) and should therefore not be allowed to play a bisexual character in Killing Eve.
Ah, OK; thanks you for the insight ;)

I can't say that I have ever heard of Jodie Comer but then I have never bothered to watch Killing Eve either. What has Ms Comer done to upset Mr. Fox?
 
I see a fair few comments about Fox's challenge of the Lockdown but we did recently have the Great Barrington Declaration from actual scientists in the field suggesting alternative methods of combatting the Covid Pandemic were possible. Largely around more targeted safeguarding. I also get the "it's just flu bro" arguments but given the people who die and require the longer term medical care are also the ones for whom targeted safeguarding would be necessary but's not completely ridiculous.

The problem being highlighted is that it is not acceptable to question to Lockdown orthodoxy, even if you have credentials to do so. Fox isn't an expert but he is highlighting the same questions being posed by genuine experts. The worry shouldn't be that people are questioning the approach, but instead the highly close minded and slightly authoritarian approach to dismiss the legitimacy of the questioning.

Genuine questions about the impact of people with other illnesses, like cancer, or the impact on the poor who seem disproportionally hit by the closure of business that provided their livelihood re swept away as the mob shrieks, "covidiots" and "conspiracy nuts".
 
The worry shouldn't be that people are questioning the approach, but instead the highly close minded and slightly authoritarian approach to dismiss the legitimacy of the questioning.

Genuine questions about the impact of people with other illnesses, like cancer, or the impact on the poor who seem disproportionally hit by the closure of business that provided their livelihood re swept away as the mob shrieks, "covidiots" and "conspiracy nuts".

Yeap, I have to agree with this as "Obey and do not question" has led lots of countries down a dark path before. One of our greatest strengths has been the ability to question everything and everyone, yet in the current climate of the "Death of Discussion" the requirement to question "power" is being actively attacked (emotionally, financially and even physically in some cases) as a negative thing to do by those who believe they are morally right to do so, and that "moral superiority" will allow seemingly harmless people to do unspeakable things as proven time and time again.
 
Yeap, I have to agree with this as "Obey and do not question" has led lots of countries down a dark path before. One of our greatest strengths has been the ability to question everything and everyone, yet in the current climate of the "Death of Discussion" the requirement to question "power" is being actively attacked (emotionally, financially and even physically in some cases) as a negative thing to do by those who believe they are morally right to do so, and that "moral superiority" will allow seemingly harmless people to do unspeakable things as proven time and time again.

I agree in broad principle, I don't believe a government that creeps powers will hand them back ever once the precedent has been set. But equally we have to legislate for morons who think it's ok to host parties during lockdown or that the rules do not apply to them and sadly Britain's strong history of questioning authority manifests today not as questioning a government's rights but as a sense of unwarranted, bratty entitlement.
 
There are far too many 'Joe Rogan Questions Everything' brahs in this country now. Facebook posts from people who've never left their council estate and podcasts where the hosts are high as a kite just chatting **** are their news sources. You cannot have a discussion or debate with most of those people either.
 
I see a fair few comments about Fox's challenge of the Lockdown but we did recently have the Great Barrington Declaration from actual scientists in the field suggesting alternative methods of combatting the Covid Pandemic were possible. Largely around more targeted safeguarding. I also get the "it's just flu bro" arguments but given the people who die and require the longer term medical care are also the ones for whom targeted safeguarding would be necessary but's not completely ridiculous.

The problem being highlighted is that it is not acceptable to question to Lockdown orthodoxy, even if you have credentials to do so. Fox isn't an expert but he is highlighting the same questions being posed by genuine experts. The worry shouldn't be that people are questioning the approach, but instead the highly close minded and slightly authoritarian approach to dismiss the legitimacy of the questioning.

Genuine questions about the impact of people with other illnesses, like cancer, or the impact on the poor who seem disproportionally hit by the closure of business that provided their livelihood re swept away as the mob shrieks, "covidiots" and "conspiracy nuts".

I think the main issue here is that Fox has quite a lot of dopey supporters. They're not interested in what little nuance he's able to generate within his own opinion sphere, they only think 'lockdown bad cus can't go drinking'. He's an 'opinion careerist' so I get it, this is his bread and butter. But for every person who might think there's something debate worthy about his opinions, there's 20 who just blindly agree with everything he says because confirmation bias...

Frankly, the hypocrisy of Fox trying to be this this apparent beacon of 'centrist thought' and 'nuanced opinion' yet his main platform is a social media site that limits your word count makes my eyes hurt from rolling, but there we go.
 
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Genuine questions about the impact of people with other illnesses, like cancer, or the impact on the poor who seem disproportionally hit by the closure of business that provided their livelihood

All of which would have been worse, far worse if we did not lockdown. The argument against lockdown makes no sense because it involves a collapsed health service and dead bodies piling high.
 
I see a fair few comments about Fox's challenge of the Lockdown but we did recently have the Great Barrington Declaration from actual scientists in the field suggesting alternative methods of combatting the Covid Pandemic were possible. Largely around more targeted safeguarding. I also get the "it's just flu bro" arguments but given the people who die and require the longer term medical care are also the ones for whom targeted safeguarding would be necessary but's not completely ridiculous.

The problem being highlighted is that it is not acceptable to question to Lockdown orthodoxy, even if you have credentials to do so. Fox isn't an expert but he is highlighting the same questions being posed by genuine experts. The worry shouldn't be that people are questioning the approach, but instead the highly close minded and slightly authoritarian approach to dismiss the legitimacy of the questioning.

Genuine questions about the impact of people with other illnesses, like cancer, or the impact on the poor who seem disproportionally hit by the closure of business that provided their livelihood re swept away as the mob shrieks, "covidiots" and "conspiracy nuts".
Even the WHO is against the current method of lockdowns.
 
WHO position stated here.

What is WHO’s position on ‘lockdowns’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as ‘lockdowns’, can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people.

However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. Such measures disproportionately affect disadvantaged groups, including people in poverty, migrants, internally displaced people and refugees, who most often live in overcrowded and under resourced settings, and depend on daily labour for subsistence.

WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time.

Governments must make the most of the extra time granted by ‘lockdown’ measures by doing all they can to build their capacities to detect, isolate, test and care for all cases; trace and quarantine all contacts; engage, empower and enable populations to drive the societal response and more.

WHO is hopeful that countries will use targeted interventions where and when needed, based on the local situation.
 
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