Legal aid should not fund asylum legal action.

[The Running Man]

I was about to ask that question.

Why are these people obsessed with coming to the UK... must be our world-famous fish & chips.

Given how many Brits end up leaving for greener pastures in Europe (or Oz/Nz etc), it is a curious thing that so many of these migrants can't wait to come to Blighty.

e: And then end up in a complete **** hole, in some dire inner-city slum.

It's so confusing, if these people are such a cultural
and economic asset, countries would be fighting over them to incentivise them to settle there.

Poland for example who has lost so many working age men could surely benefit from some strong work fit immigrants themselves to grow their own gdp.

Same with France, they should be desperate to keep them in, why are we paying them to do so when France would benefit so much with more immigrants and asylum seekers setting there boosting their gdp? Double bubbling perhaps?

Unless of course culturally and economically they are not widely perceived as an asset at all.

 

[FoxEye]

It's so confusing, if these people are such a cultural
and economic asset, countries would be fighting over them to incentivise them to settle there.

Poland for example who has lost so many working age men could surely benefit from some strong work fit immigrants themselves to grow their own gdp.

Same with France, they should be desperate to keep them in, why are we paying them to do so when France would benefit so much with more immigrants and asylum seekers setting there boosting their gdp? Double bubbling perhaps?

Unless of course culturally and economically they are not widely perceived as an asset at all.

Well here's the rub.

If they really wanted to come to the UK they could accept asylum in France or whatever, spend a couple years working hard, and then legitimately come to the UK.

Instead the "desperate" migrants that we see on TV, form slums just outside the French ports, where they are associated with criminal behaviour and are resented by locals. They spend 100% of their time trying to get into lorries or whatever to come to the UK. Other than that they appear on TV moaning about how mean the French are to them and why won't the UK just let them in? "We are treated like animals," they say, whilst living in squalor (completely unnecessarily) in an encampment whilst trying to commit a crime.

The people we'd genuinely want to come here are those claiming asylum in France, Sweden, etc, getting a job there and working hard, before applying to legally enter the UK if they still want to.

The lorry-hoppers who are living on the generosity of the French state/charities whilst being singularly focused on coming here illegally are the ones precisely nobody wants! They are the ones who think moving to the UK is somehow a human right and there should be no strings attached. Just rock up and claim benefits.

 

[The Running Man]

Well here's the rub.

If they really wanted to come to the UK they could accept asylum in France or whatever, spend a couple years working hard, and then legitimately come to the UK.

Instead the "desperate" migrants that we see on TV, form slums just outside the French ports, where they are associated with criminal behaviour and are resented by locals. They spend 100% of their time trying to get into lorries or whatever to come to the UK. Other than that they appear on TV moaning about how mean the French are to them and why won't the UK just let them in? "We are treated like animals," they say, whilst living in squalor (completely unnecessarily) in an encampment whilst trying to commit a crime.

The people we'd genuinely want to come here are those claiming asylum in France, Sweden, etc, getting a job there and working hard, before applying to legally enter the UK if they still want to.

The lorry-hoppers who are living on the generosity of the French state/charities whilst being singularly focused on coming here illegally are the ones precisely nobody wants! They are the ones who think moving to the UK is somehow a human right and there should be no strings attached. Just rock up and claim benefits.

I'll let Gary Linker rehome those.

 

[McstylisT]

We can’t continue to take more illegal immigration. It’s at a stage where we need to refuse and send them back. Obviously keep them warm, plenty of water and food. But straight back to France. No negotiations. Plus when claiming asylum you should claim in the first safe country you reach. That is genuine asylum. You don’t cross the 3 or 4 other Countries just to come to Britain. That is not asylum is it.

 

[Nasher]

We had some locally last year who hopped out of a lorry right outside an army base, then got bounced by guards and arrested for trying to walk on to it lol. Bad day.

 

[The Running Man]

With france going onto the quarantine list, I hope these asylum seekers are socially distancing on these boats or they will just be Bringing further health risks to the UK.

 

[Mrwong]

Guess I need to post this again



Without knowing what the 'unique person/repeat offender' aspect does to the reported figures, the number could be off by quite a margin.

Correct me if I am wrong, a single person can also be charged with multiple individual crimes at once, so if a 5 people are caught partaking in quite a racket, they could be charged with, say, 5 crimes each, making the stats inflated for their ethnicity.

With stats you can manipulate the numbers and depending on which formula they use.I just did a very simple calculation. Of course there is going to be skewed maybe all the crimes are committed by one individual or one crime committed by a few individuals.

It all comes down to how the data has been collected.
Also remember there could be subgroups when taking about immigrants are not just black they could be white Asian etc...

I interpreted it as anyone that has no right to stay.
When you talk about white crime most people including here think of natives, they forget you can be white and not a native.

At what point do you select your diversified classification lists. The best resources would be natives and none natives with a subsection of legal and ilegal.

You could also have seasonal variation data when it comes down to crimes commitment.
Then you need to further break it down to types of crimes etc... Now you can see how complicated it can get, sometimes the best solution is the simple solution.

 

[StriderX]

Well here's the rub.

If they really wanted to come to the UK they could accept asylum in France or whatever, spend a couple years working hard, and then legitimately come to the UK.

Instead the "desperate" migrants that we see on TV, form slums just outside the French ports, where they are associated with criminal behaviour and are resented by locals. They spend 100% of their time trying to get into lorries or whatever to come to the UK. Other than that they appear on TV moaning about how mean the French are to them and why won't the UK just let them in? "We are treated like animals," they say, whilst living in squalor (completely unnecessarily) in an encampment whilst trying to commit a crime.

The people we'd genuinely want to come here are those claiming asylum in France, Sweden, etc, getting a job there and working hard, before applying to legally enter the UK if they still want to.

The lorry-hoppers who are living on the generosity of the French state/charities whilst being singularly focused on coming here illegally are the ones precisely nobody wants! They are the ones who think moving to the UK is somehow a human right and there should be no strings attached. Just rock up and claim benefits.

How do you know all of this? In particular the situation for asylum seekers in the French system and how they're treated. Mind you, I don't disagree with the sentiment in regards to the ideal scenario that someone successfully applies for asylum nearby and then for visas after proving self-sufficiency, however our visa system is purposefully extortionate to the point of 'why bother, just get in a lorry' that it doesn't really matter.

We actively incentivise criminality while punishing people doing the right thing, I don't find the current situation surprising and it won't stop either no matter how much we expend on it.

 

[FoxEye]

How do you know all of this? In particular the situation for asylum seekers in the French system and how they're treated. I don't disagree with the sentiment in regards to the ideal scenario that someone successfully applies for asylum nearby, however our visa system is purposefully extortionate to the point of 'why bother, just get in a lorry'.

The problem with our system is that it incentivises criminality, doing the right thing is punished.

How do I know what, exactly?

All I've described is as seen on the news!

Do you think the French treat immigrants asylum seekers so poorly that they feel forced to carry on to the UK? What about Sweden?

Sweden is known for bending over backwards to give migrants a warm welcome and shield them from criticism.

The Eastern European countries are known to give a somewhat more "frosty" reception.

What about Germany? They again bent over backwards for the migrants (initially).

The idea that these migrants feel unsafe anywhere other than the UK can only be a complete fantasy.

 

[StriderX]

I thought the news was fake though?

Either way, I guess we should start funding our services better rather than constantly outsourcing it to a sector that wouldn't want to succeed too well or a foreign country who no longer has any interest in our domestic situation.

 

[FoxEye]

I thought the news was fake though?

Either way, I guess we should start funding our services better rather than constantly outsourcing it to a sector that wouldn't want to succeed too well or a foreign country who no longer has any interest in our domestic situation.

Eh? I'm struggling to make any sense of that at all. Maybe this heat is to blame..

 

[StriderX]

Eh? I'm struggling to make any sense of that at all. Maybe this heat is to blame..

Well our government seems intent on private contracts that are worthless to the taxpayer and our visa scheme is run by a French company.

Why would corporate entities wish to end the reason they've been given a contract in the first place? It would defy logic in our increasingly feckless realm to have government contracts that actually succeed in their goals. We'll find that in the end it won't matter how much we spend, those containers will still have people in them and the criminals will only end up making more money. At least that's my view of it, perhaps at some point folk might want reasonable governance for once, not holding my breath for it though.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I'm not getting involved in this dumpster fire but who was Mr Wong before he got banned? TIA.

 

[banbom44]

@VincentHanna why do you keep talking about EEA migrants when the topic is those from the likes of Syria and Iraq?

Because he is twisting it he knows that third world immigrants are not a net benefit and are a drain on the system.

 

[banbom44]

Im surprised they want to come here if you have watched the news since saint George Floyd died we are all massive racists.

 

[Devilman]

The level of blatent xenophobia, dog-whistling racism and "immigrant blaming" going on in this thread by the usual suspects is truly remarkable.

Utterly disgusting levels of lies and misrepresentation being used by ignorant, racist bigots attempting to paint every immigrant as a rapist, a murderer or a child trafficker.

You people are ******* disgusting animals... I wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

I'd rather have a thousand of those "immigrants" than 1 of you xenophobic, racist sacks of **** who keep posting utter ******** with 0 evidence and claim they know best.

 

[dowie]

^^^^ Something something... racism.... something something...

 

[Mrwong]

I'll let Gary Linker rehome those.

People like the above always will say what seems to look good. Remember house a Syrian well still waiting on that one.

Question would be to those in favour of immigration would you help fund one immigrated for 20 years or so.are you prepared to give 50% of your wages to one, if you feel strongly about it?

 

[Mrwong]

The level of blatent xenophobia, dog-whistling racism and "immigrant blaming" going on in this thread by the usual suspects is truly remarkable.

Utterly disgusting levels of lies and misrepresentation being used by ignorant, racist bigots attempting to paint every immigrant as a rapist, a murderer or a child trafficker.

You people are ******* disgusting animals... I wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

I'd rather have a thousand of those "immigrants" than 1 of you xenophobic, racist sacks of **** who keep posting utter ******** with 0 evidence and claim they know best.

It is not about being racist, it is about the ability to give those that live here legally a comfortable life.

This is about preserving the system ability to give people legally a happy economic life. I am sorry if you feel it does not fit with your views, beliefs etc.. etc..

But to call someone racist because of ilegal immigration is very unfair because ilegal immigration is not colour discriptive. As there are some who are white who are immigrants and possibly illegal.

Would you allow everyone into your property, even people you have no idea who they are.

At what point do you say stop? Because there will be a time no matter how left and how liberal you are you will turn round and say enough.

Would you yourself have an open door policy to immigration?
Would you allow uncontrollable numbers to enter the country?
Would you accept every single immigrate into the UK?
How would you filter out immigrants coming into the UK?
Do you think it is acceptable for immigrants to break British law?
Do you think it is acceptable that they use organised gangs to get them routes into the UK?
Are you willing to have your taxes increased to cover the cost of housing etc. Immigrants in camps etc....
Are you willing to take a hit on your wages as there possibly would be an over supply of workers in your industry?
Would you be happy to pay higher house prices?
Would you be happy to build access previous green land untill there is no more left?
Are you happy to accept more pollution?
There are so many factors when in comes to immigration?

I do not know where you live but London has become a dumping ground and a waste pit.

Say what you like I prefer to have no immigration. Into this country as I can see how it going to constantly cost people in this country.

People who agree with immigration are causing misery, killing and put whole families at risk.

If this country had a zero tolerance immigration policy it would be well known and they would not risk their lives coming to the UK.
Iiberal s have a romantic idea but have no concept of function and system integration.

No idea understanding of security or specific sector security which includes food and how population density is concerning factor for all factors that liberals seem to be up in arms.
The world s problems have developed from liberal romatic ideas, are self inflicted and continue to snowball.

You can not population increase with out damaging the environment.

So next time when you call a person racist think about the underlying issues that are not visible.

Immigration is dangerous to the current system, catastrophic to the establish population, and will only end up making everyone suffer.

The poor will get poorer as those in positions of power will take advantage of numbers willing or forced to work.
This country will end up in environmental disaster, how do you propose to fix that?

 

[StriderX]

Always in the frame of the law and never the morality of the situation, which is rather strange considering the disdain for the lawmakers who did/will continue to dangle this carrot in your face for personal gain.

What incentive do they have to stop it? It helps the authoritarian towards their state of fear and the swindler their state of denial. The day this country stops voting in feckless, amoral procrastinators and chronic failures is the day that actual change might occur. Bemusement is all I can offer at this point at the state of the low-expectations people have of those in positions of power, yet they expect swift resolution?

Just skip to the end already and start a political party with those policies, give the people their chance to voice their approval or otherwise. It's tiresome watching as folk pretend that a different masque on their preferred party somehow separates them from their previous masque... when both masques are identical, it's an endeavour in madness.