Legal aid should not fund asylum legal action.

[The Running Man]

The level of blatent xenophobia, dog-whistling racism and "immigrant blaming" going on in this thread by the usual suspects is truly remarkable.

Utterly disgusting levels of lies and misrepresentation being used by ignorant, racist bigots attempting to paint every immigrant as a rapist, a murderer or a child trafficker.

You people are ******* disgusting animals... I wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

I'd rather have a thousand of those "immigrants" than 1 of you xenophobic, racist sacks of **** who keep posting utter ******** with 0 evidence and claim they know best.

When you say zero evidence, you do know there is lots of evidence. Some has even been presented in this thread. Its not racist to say that 58% of men convicted of being rapey in sweden are foreign born. That's just a statement of fact, as presented by the Swedish news.

Yeboi, its working famously in Sweden. Do you work in the swedish prison system by any chance?

The Mission Investigation programme, due to be broadcast on Wednesday by SVT, said the total number of offenders over five years was 843. Of those, 197 were from the Middle East and North Africa, with 45 coming from Afghanistan.

These are the kind of people coming here in dinghys right?

 

[Ayahuasca]

Surprised this threads went the distance, there’s some absolute ******** being posted from both “sides”.

 

[Devilman]

When you say zero evidence, you do know there is lots of evidence. Some has even been presented in this thread. Its not racist to say that 58% of men convicted of being rapey in sweden are foreign born. That's just a statement of fact, as presented by the Swedish news.

It is evidence of the fact that 58% of men convicted of rape in sweden are foreign born.And what is actually being done with that evidence?

It's being used to try and spin a narrative of "Foreigners = Rapists". It's disgusting, lowbrow, ignorant attempts to conflate facts with your feels.

The statistics don't even suggest that 58% of rapists in sweden are foreigners either, Only that it is 58% of convictions. - It could equally be possible that the majority of rapists ARE natives, but they are not caught and convicted.

But since it aligns with some peoples beliefs on here, it is being presented as a "fact" to backup a predjudice.

So no, it is not evidence of anything other than 58% of convicted rapists in sweden are not native and nothing more.. Unless you believe this is indicative of something else?

 

[The Running Man]

It is evidence of the fact that 58% of men convicted of rape in sweden are foreign born.And what is actually being done with that evidence?

It's being used to try and spin a narrative of "Foreigners = Rapists". It's disgusting, lowbrow, ignorant attempts to conflate facts with your feels.

The statistics don't even suggest that 58% of rapists in sweden are foreigners either, Only that it is 58% of convictions. - It could equally be possible that the majority of rapists ARE natives, but they are not caught and convicted.

But since it aligns with some peoples beliefs on here, it is being presented as a "fact" to backup a predjudice.

So no, it is not evidence of anything other than 58% of convicted rapists in sweden are not native and nothing more.. Unless you believe this is indicative of something else?

Its just another brick in the wall,along with the evidence that 1/3 of sexual assaults in london being done by immigrants. And 1/2 frauds.

Infact most places in Europe report thesame too.

Maybe the people of Afghanistan and Iraq are just culturally different?

 

[Devilman]

Its just another brick in the wall,along with the evidence that 1/3 of sexual assaults in london being done by immigrants. And 1/2 frauds.

Another brick in who's wall exactly?

Trumps wall?

That's as equally misguided and misconceived as the narrative you are attempting to spin by cherry-picking data that suits your opinion - well done. You have completed step 1 of "how to create a slippery slope fallacy".

I'm guessing now you're going to try and assert that "allowing these types of people into the country is the thin-end of the wedge" and how it will bring in more and more "criminals, rapists and murders" - while completely overlooking all the immigrants who are a net benefit to our country?

 

[Mrwong]

Another brick in who's wall exactly?

Trumps wall?

That's as equally misguided and misconceived as the narrative you are attempting to spin by cherry-picking data that suits your narrative - well done. You have completed step 1 of "how to create a slippery slope fallacy".

I'm guessing now you're going to try and assert that "allowing these types of people into the country is the thin-end of the wedge" and how it will bring in more and more "criminals, rapists and murders" - while completely overlooking all the immigrants who are a net benefit to our country?

Trump's wall, you do know Obama built a wall and all the other previous president since 1990 have built it?

Secure Fence Act of 2006

Why highlight Trump? He is only proposing to make it higher.and more durable.

Have you answered my post yet, or decided to over look it because you have no answers to it.?

You seem to be for immigration but fail to go behind the numbers and see the true cost to this country.
I am sorry but immigration is bad and please do not label me as racist because that does not work.

Come up with an Idea that immigration will have a zero impact on all areas. Because at the moment it is impacting some more than others and as a nation as a whole.

 

[SPG]

I am for mass dumping in the North sea, if you make it back then well done, you have good moral fibre and worthy of the bulldog spirit.

Something like a swimming hunger games, just think of the income from the betting from it.

 

[Devilman]

You seem to be for immigration but fail to go behind the numbers and see the true cost to this country.

You mean how immigrants are a net economic benefit to our country? Yep, sure is a bad thing to have all that prosperity due to people coming here with a harder-working attitude than native brits.

I am sorry but immigration is bad and please do not label me as racist because that does not work.

Based on WHAT exactly? by what metric did you decide "immigration is bad" and what exactly is it that makes you have such unshakable prophetic belief in your own opinion, vs the economic data that directly contradicts your claims of the "costs to the country"?

I haven't named anyone and called them a racist, but it is extremely interesting to see how the very first response to my post was a vitriol-filled rage-fest directed specifically towards me, wishing all the perceived "ills" and "costs" laden upon me until I became (and I quote) "destitute on the streets, you stupid darned fool."

THIS is the real face behind the kind of people who sit there shouting "immigration = bad" no matter what evidence is held up to the contrary. - Disgusting, Hate-filled, Xenophobic, Racist Bigots spewing vitriol at individuals who may suggest that their opinion isn't actually reflected in reality.


So with regard to "labeling you as racist" - I did no such thing, but it's awfully nice of you to lie so blatantly. It speaks volumes on your integrity.

 

[The Running Man]

Another brick in who's wall exactly?

Trumps wall?

That's as equally misguided and misconceived as the narrative you are attempting to spin by cherry-picking data that suits your opinion - well done. You have completed step 1 of "how to create a slippery slope fallacy".

I'm guessing now you're going to try and assert that "allowing these types of people into the country is the thin-end of the wedge" and how it will bring in more and more "criminals, rapists and murders" - while completely overlooking all the immigrants who are a net benefit to our country?

No I'm saying by allowing any in including those here we are putting more people at risk of crime, including particularly unsavoury ones like sexual assault.

Therefore we must consider not just the economic cost but also the human cost too.

 

[Nasher]

Its just another brick in the wall,along with the evidence that 1/3 of sexual assaults in london being done by immigrants. And 1/2 frauds.

Infact most places in Europe report thesame too.

Maybe the people of Afghanistan and Iraq are just culturally different?

Their home countries are basically lawless and they get away with it. They come to Europe and think they can just carry on.

There is just too much of a culture clash.

 

[Devilman]

No I'm saying by allowing any in including those here we are putting more people at risk of crime, including particularly unsavoury ones like sexual assault.

Therefore we must consider not just the economic cost but also the human cost too.

By allowing UK citizens to continue to have children, we are also including those who will become criminals, rapists and murderers - Shall we prevent any procreation to avoid "putting more people at risk of crime, including particularly unsavoury ones like sexual assault" ?

By the way, nice use of an extra-emotive subject ("including particularly unsavoury ones like sexual assault") to try and appeal to "feels" hoping to distract the logical thinking process to avoid real scrutiny of the idiotic argument you are attempting to make.

A few bad people exist in every race, nationality, creed, colour or religion.

The fact people in this thread are repeatedly trying imply that any (Therefore ALL) people who conform to specific groups should be excluded complete and wholesale - It's as broken as suggesting that every UK Citizen should "share" in the negative effect of prison sentences because "Some British People" are criminals, rapists and / or murderers.

It's nothing more than another thinly-veiled attempt to disguise an attitude of "foreigner = bad" or "I don't wan't them here".

 

[Efour]

Immigration with integration is the goal surely?
But now European countries are eliminating their own identity and culture in an attempt to appease a very vocal minority.

It's very weird.

Us as Brits surely are used to it? We've spent the last 70 years importing the world's population.

 

[Bazzards]

And we have been very good at it.

 

[The Running Man]

By allowing UK citizens to continue to have children, we are also including those who will become criminals, rapists and murderers - Shall we prevent any procreation to avoid "putting more people at risk of crime, including particularly unsavoury ones like sexual assault" ?

By the way, nice use of an extra-emotive subject ("including particularly unsavoury ones like sexual assault") to try and appeal to "feels" hoping to distract the logical thinking process to avoid real scrutiny of the idiotic argument you are attempting to make.

A few bad people exist in every race, nationality, creed, colour or religion.

The fact people in this thread are repeatedly trying imply that any (Therefore ALL) people who conform to specific groups should be excluded complete and wholesale - It's as broken as suggesting that every UK Citizen should "share" in the negative effect of prison sentences because "Some British People" are criminals, rapists and / or murderers.

It's nothing more than another thinly-veiled attempt to disguise an attitude of "foreigner = bad" or "I don't wan't them here".

The difference is that we can pick and choose which groups we let in.

If certain groups are vastly over represented in serious and life changing crimes like sexual assault then surely we must be discerning in our choices to protect the population and say no.

There is no other logical choice, if you care about the rights of the people who will be infringed upon if they are subjected to violence or rape or even if they are put at vastly increased risk.

 

[VincentHanna]

I think anytime somebody sits behind their keyboard saying we should let them drown, needs an urgent mental health assessment.

 

[Devilman]

The difference is that we can pick and choose which groups we let in.

If certain groups are vastly over represented in serious and life changing crimes like sexual assault then surely we must be discerning in our choices to protect the population and say no.

There is no other logical choice, if you care about the rights of the people who will be infringed upon if they are subjected to violence or rape or even if they are put at vastly increased risk.

The difference is irrelevant.

You are attempting to spin a narrative of "All people from Z are bad" and it's utter horse****.

There used to be a time when people would say "all Gypsies are bad" - Should we have applied your same mentality and eradicated them?

There was a time when people would say the same of neighboring countries. - Should we have applied your same mentality and banned them entry?

There was a time when people would say the same of neighboring counties. - Should we have applied your same mentality and banned them entry?

There was a time when people would say the same of neighboring villages? - Should we have applied your same mentality and banned them entry?


We would be a very different country of people indeed if we had EVER followed your idea of banning entire groups of people based upon "a few bad apples" which exist in every single demographic group (including our own).


Can you not see how the very idea of "ban all people from X because some might be criminals" is such broken argument that hasn't been able to stand up to scrutiny since we were throwing rocks at each other?

 

[McstylisT]

The level of blatent xenophobia, dog-whistling racism and "immigrant blaming" going on in this thread by the usual suspects is truly remarkable.

Utterly disgusting levels of lies and misrepresentation being used by ignorant, racist bigots attempting to paint every immigrant as a rapist, a murderer or a child trafficker.

You people are ******* disgusting animals... I wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

I'd rather have a thousand of those "immigrants" than 1 of you xenophobic, racist sacks of **** who keep posting utter ******** with 0 evidence and claim they know best.

Man you are seriously on another planet.

Nasty, shouting down. Labelling throwing around words that are not actually present.

We are speaking facts, we are showing the truth. We have mentioned other Countries to claim asylum.

Yet the left scream you down and attempt to destroy the argument.

Nobody has been racist in this thread. Only you towards us and the evidence is above.

 

[Devilman]

*waffle*

No, People are taking facts and then using them to spin bull**** narratives that entire groups of people (usually based upon either ethnicity, religion or race) should automatically be denied entry because "some of them" might be criminals. - Surprise Surprise, so are the native UK population, shall we ban childbirth?

Nobody has been racist in this thread. Only you towards us and the evidence is above.

Please, do show me where I have been racist towards anyone, as I don't see the evidence anywhere? Is this more examples of Mcstylist integrity by lying so blantently ?

 

[McstylisT]

No, People are taking facts and then using them to spin bull**** narratives that entire groups of people (usually based upon either ethnicity, religion or race) should automatically be denied entry because "some of them" might be criminals. - Surprise Surprise, so are the native UK population, shall we ban childbirth?



Please, do show me where I have been racist towards anyone, as I don't see the evidence anywhere? Is this more examples of Mcstylist integrity by lying so blantently ?

oh please matey, please done make your self look more of a loon than you already have. I am
Not the only one to show amazement at your post.
If you need to re-read your own post. The part where you said you would rather take illegals than ***** us.

You are just an indoctrinated left wing puppet, with ideology deep rooted and you can’t accept people are sick of this happening and want change now. Enough is enough.

 

[Devilman]

You are just an indoctrinated left wing puppet, with ideology deep rooted and you can’t accept people are sick of this happening and want change now. Enough is enough.

Down to personal insults already I see? More integrity on display, go you!

Nobody has been racist in this thread. Only you towards us and the evidence is above.

I'll ask again in case you somehow missed it....

Please, do show me where I have been racist towards anyone, as I don't see the evidence anywhere? Is this more examples of Mcstylist integrity by lying so blantently ?

Now, are you going to backup that claim with proof, or are you going to conceded that you lied and made it up?